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Jews in Eretz Yisroel are in Golus:
Ramban, Introduction to Shemos, Vayikra 26, Devorim 30
Rambam, Hilchos Melochim 11:1
Maharal
Chasam Sofer, Droshas Chasam Sofer, p. 295
Netziv
Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv
I don’t know why this is even a שאלה
When the Jews were in ארץ ישראל during the second beis HaMikdash when you had מכביים for kings in t was called גלות יון why is this any different
And some other ujm pronouncements:
White is black
War is peace
Truth is falsehood
Day is night
All equally correct and authoritative.
an Israeli Yid
could someone elaborate what this topic is saying. I can look up a Ramban but i dont feel like looking through the whole intro shemos or the other two. Perhaps tell me which paragraph. and ‘Maharal, Netziv, R’Elyashiv’ i have no idea how they are related to Israel Galus
What are you trying to prove?
That there is no longer a Mitzva of Yishuv Eretz Yisroel?
That America and Israel are the same?
If so, think you need to revise your siddur.That DOES NOT justify the Neturei Karta marching, ON SHABBOS,
in support of bloodthirsty brainwashed Muslim terrorists,
who want to KILL ALL JEWS, including: men, women, teenagers,
children, infants, babies, pro-Zionists, non-Zionists and anti-Zionists.While many millions of people watch them on television and internet.
coffee> when you had מכביים for kings in t was called גלות יון
R Yochanan was not responding when his student asked for permission to travel to meet his old mother travelling from Bavel.
If Jews who live in Eretz Yisrael are living in golus,
then Jews who live in New York City or Lakewood
are living in DOUBLE GOLUS, and Jews who live in
Oregon or Oklahoma are living in TRIPLE GOLUS.Ujm hates Eretz Yisrael, his fellow Bnei Yisrael and especially the RZ Tzibbur.
Nothing new here.
“What are you trying to prove?“
Eval,
Joe is trying to prove that anisraeliyid (like a lot of Israelis) are mistaken that one isnt in Galus if he is in ארץ ישראל
Without Mashiach and without the Beis HaMikdash, we are still officially in galus wherever we live. But kedushah shniyah kidsha le’asid lavo. Eretz Yisroel is still a holier existence. We’re still mekayem the mitzvah of Yishuv EY. Ein Torah KeToras EY. And, returning to EY is quite possibly a kiyum of Kibuutz Galuyos which iyH either precedes or is actually part of the eventual geulah… meaning this mass return to EY may very well be the atchalta l’geulasa.
Can you specify where golus means anything other than a physical location? Where in Tanach? where in Gemara?
I believe you are confusing halacha and homelitics.I don’t think I am confused.
Golus is defined in Tanach and Gemara as location based. You are speaking Homiletically. You are trying to say that the Geula isn’t complete even though we are living in EY- Shkoyach, My 5 year old knows that too. You are saying that while the chashmonaim lit the menorah they were in golus because there was no Mashiach- Shkoyach again.
This is a pointless conversation about nomenclature. What are you trying to prove?When they ask ציפית לישועה, I will say I moved with my family so I could be there to greet Mashiach. I am so confident that he will come I want to lay the groundwork for him. There are those who come to Israel horizontally and those who come vertically and then there are the holy rollers who will eventually make it.
UJM said: “Jews in Eretz Yisroel are in Golus.”
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Even if that is true, there are still many Torah Laws [Halachot]
that apply ONLY in Eretz Yisrael, even in our times.In the early 1800s of the Common Era, Rabbi Nachman of Breslov
taught that tefilah in Eretz Yisrael is much greater than
tefilah outside of Eretz Yisrael, even in his times.Therefore, the concept that “Jews in Eretz Yisroel are in Golus”
seems to NOT apply to tefilah and NOT apply to mitzvot that
are specifically related to Eretz Yisrael, like terumot and maaserot.We do NOT add an additional day of Yom Tov in Eretz Yisrael,
even in our times, which seems to indicate that Eretz Yisrael
is NOT galus, with respect to the .Yomim Tovim.Joe,
Bayit thinks (like most if not all of religious zionists do) that ראשית צמיחת גאולותינו means that we can’t be in galus if we’re in a state of geulah
coffee addict – I am in Eretz Yisroel and I am NOT in galus.
People feel guilty ignoring a very central part of Torah so they make up all kinds of hashkafos that make all lands equal.
They think we’re so dumb – they think that making a frumkeit out of staying their comfort zone is going to get them Tzaddik status.“Mipnei chatoeinu golinu Mayartzeinu”, as long as we are in a matzav of mipnei chatoeinu, we are still in golus
“Golus is defined in Tanach and Gemara as location based.“
“I am in Eretz Yisroel and I am NOT in galus.”
Obviously not because of galus yavan (like I mentioned before) and the 400 years of mitzrayim started with Yitzchak who lived in eretz yisrael
But believe whatever you want
We will sadly always remain in golus-no matter which location or country-if we continue living in denial instead of openly FACING REALITY and accepting Hashem’s wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together as one loving nation so Hashem can finally send mashiach already bkarov.
ujm: I have a family tree that demonstrates clear Jewish lineage on my mother’s side from at least the 1700s and on my father’s side from at least the mid 1800s.
Try again, Sonei Yisrael.
I read from R’ Schachter that galus refers to a lack of gilui Shechinah. Even in Eretz Yisrael now, there is no gilui Shechinah, so yes, Jews there are still in galus. When Mashiach comes, and the Shechinah comes out of hiding, the galus will be over.
What is the point of this discussion. What does a homiletical discussion of the concept of golus factor into the 4 Amos of halacha? If a Jew wants to be מקיים as many mitzvos as possible, clearly Boro Park is not the destination.
Everyone agrees there is a mitzvah of yishuv Eretz Yisroel. If it is מצוהה חיובית או קיומית, עדיין מצווה. For those who want to live a life of chumros, clearly KJ is not the place one can be מקיים. as many mitzvos.If you ask any child to pick the place on the map one can be closest to Hashem, they would put the finger on Yerushalim and not Golders Green.
In halacha there is lechathila and bedieved. Now is 2025 and not 1933, 1940, 1948. How can living Antwerp be lechathila for everyone? I am not saying it is assur just if everyone who complains about the matzav actually lived here and voted here thinks would be very different. Just think about how much better your olam haba would be if you could do more mitzvos.
ujm – למאי נפקא מינה? If we still have to fast on Sunday then we are still in Galus, geographic location notwithstanding. If you are referring to the אתחלתא דגאולה crowd, they also fast on שבעה עשר בתמוז (I have more friends and family like that than you do, so I can vouch for that if you don’t think they do…) There are many מעלות in רוחניות and עבודת השם יתברך to living in Eretz Yisroel (for the right reasons), that have nothing to do with Zionism, ׳אתחלתא דגאולה׳, etc. There are also people who are referred to as ‘Religious Zionists’ who DON’T believe in the State (as opposed to יישוב ארץ ישראל itself) as ׳אתחלתא דגאולה׳. You probably haven’t heard of חרד״ל or חבקו״ק, nor have you visited the ‘Hilltops’… They aren’t big fans of guys like Bennett… (Certainly not of Lapid or anyone further left, who aren’t even ‘Zionists’ at all.)
ZSK – I don’t think ‘ujm’ is a ‘Sonei Yisrael’ so much as a pyromaniac looking to start some ‘action’. I suspect his views and behavior in real life may be different than how he presents himself online…
YYA: I agree. Joseph is the ultimate troll.
There are others, such as Hakatan, who are real haters. It’s sad.
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