Israel is in Golus

And some other ujm pronouncements:

White is black

War is peace

Truth is falsehood

Day is night

All equally correct and authoritative.

an Israeli Yid

What are you trying to prove?
That there is no longer a Mitzva of Yishuv Eretz Yisroel?
That America and Israel are the same?
If so, think you need to revise your siddur.

coffee> when you had מכביים for kings in t was called גלות יון

R Yochanan was not responding when his student asked for permission to travel to meet his old mother travelling from Bavel.

Ujm hates Eretz Yisrael, his fellow Bnei Yisrael and especially the RZ Tzibbur.

Nothing new here.

Without Mashiach and without the Beis HaMikdash, we are still officially in galus wherever we live. But kedushah shniyah kidsha le’asid lavo. Eretz Yisroel is still a holier existence. We’re still mekayem the mitzvah of Yishuv EY. Ein Torah KeToras EY. And, returning to EY is quite possibly a kiyum of Kibuutz Galuyos which iyH either precedes or is actually part of the eventual geulah… meaning this mass return to EY may very well be the atchalta l’geulasa.

I don’t think I am confused.
Golus is defined in Tanach and Gemara as location based. You are speaking Homiletically. You are trying to say that the Geula isn’t complete even though we are living in EY- Shkoyach, My 5 year old knows that too. You are saying that while the chashmonaim lit the menorah they were in golus because there was no Mashiach- Shkoyach again.
This is a pointless conversation about nomenclature. What are you trying to prove?

When they ask ציפית לישועה, I will say I moved with my family so I could be there to greet Mashiach. I am so confident that he will come I want to lay the groundwork for him. There are those who come to Israel horizontally and those who come vertically and then there are the holy rollers who will eventually make it.

Joe,

Bayit thinks (like most if not all of religious zionists do) that ראשית צמיחת גאולותינו means that we can’t be in galus if we’re in a state of geulah

“Mipnei chatoeinu golinu Mayartzeinu”, as long as we are in a matzav of mipnei chatoeinu, we are still in golus

We will sadly always remain in golus-no matter which location or country-if we continue living in denial instead of openly FACING REALITY and accepting Hashem’s wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together as one loving nation so Hashem can finally send mashiach already bkarov.

I read from R’ Schachter that galus refers to a lack of gilui Shechinah. Even in Eretz Yisrael now, there is no gilui Shechinah, so yes, Jews there are still in galus. When Mashiach comes, and the Shechinah comes out of hiding, the galus will be over.

ujm – למאי נפקא מינה? If we still have to fast on Sunday then we are still in Galus, geographic location notwithstanding. If you are referring to the אתחלתא דגאולה crowd, they also fast on שבעה עשר בתמוז (I have more friends and family like that than you do, so I can vouch for that if you don’t think they do…) There are many מעלות in רוחניות and עבודת השם יתברך to living in Eretz Yisroel (for the right reasons), that have nothing to do with Zionism, ׳אתחלתא דגאולה׳, etc. There are also people who are referred to as ‘Religious Zionists’ who DON’T believe in the State (as opposed to יישוב ארץ ישראל itself) as ׳אתחלתא דגאולה׳. You probably haven’t heard of חרד״ל or חבקו״ק, nor have you visited the ‘Hilltops’… They aren’t big fans of guys like Bennett… (Certainly not of Lapid or anyone further left, who aren’t even ‘Zionists’ at all.)

YYA: I agree. Joseph is the ultimate troll.
There are others, such as Hakatan, who are real haters. It’s sad.

DaMoshe:
You are a Zionist idolater who falsely and baselessly accuses others of “hate”. As an idolater attempting to spread that idolatry here, it is you who is showing hatred to G-d, His Torah and His people.

ZSK – In general, I’m suspicious of anyone posting on this forum claiming to speak in the name of Satmar-orbit ideologies. Real Satmar Chassidim (of whom I know quite a few) don’t typically hang out on English language Yeshivish-Modern Chassidish-Parve websites. Some of the regular trolls here seem to be very familiar with the names and details of various Modern Orthodox Rabbis who have expressed problematic views, and other information from way outside the ‘heimishe velt’, more than I am familiar, and almost certainly more than any regular Satmar Chossid would be… Normative Satmar Chassidim are not hateful or argumentative (to a greater extent than one would find among average human beings), and many of them give much tzedaka and do chessed with people who don’t necessarily share all of their ideology.

ZSK,

Joseph is insulting your mother since he despises his own maternal line due to its shockingly sordid history.

@ujm: I’m well aware of that. However, there are also many, many families who cannot trace back past 1-2 generations before the Holocaust. I consider myself lucky that I B”H can trace my family back to just before the Haskalah started. Also what YYA said, which is why I responded to you in the first place, because I am aware of those Halachos in Yore De’ah.

Let me guess, you’re casting doubt on my Jewishness because (1) I disagree with you over one issue – the State of Israel, and (2) because of a deleted thread where I defended a so-called “Conservative Rabbi” who wasn’t actually Conservative, and called out Artscroll for slander. That isn’t a good reason.

Grow up.

@YYA: That is true and I tend to agree with you. Usually you don’t find Chassidim on the internet, but there are exceptions. As it happens, I do question just how Yeshivish/Chassidish ujm, HaKatan and somejewiknow actually are (I increasingly believe they are either flame throwing secular, OTD or MO trolls posing as Yeshivish). However, I unfortunately have had nothing but really bad interactions with Satmar and Vizhnitz Chassidim.

@GadolHadofi: Could be. More likely he just didn’t like me calling him out.

YYA, I agree on severity of those who joke about others’ lineage. At the same time, we should not be too haughty. R Zeira silently rejected R Yohana’s daughter as he thought that yichus in EY in his times was not good enough. Where does this leave those of us who come from Sanzer chassidim!?

To extend your logic, I thiojnk, good middos is the only sure sign of good yihus, and opposite – of opposite.

“I thiojnk, good middos is the only sure sign of good yihus, and opposite – of opposite.“

Aaq,

Im surprised you would say that!

You don’t know of any goyim that have good middos? I highly doubt that!

AAQ – I’m referring to the probability of one’s being Jewish altogether, something ‘ujm’ ridiculously challenged. (Although technically חזקה is enough, like by almost everything else.) Any pre-Haskalah/mass assimilation maternal yichus is equal in this regard, whether you can trace your GGGM to Sanz, or Vilna, or Aleppo. (The latter probably being even better yichus.) The Gemara you refer to is concerned about the (albeit remote) possibility of other forms of פסולי יחוס.

To extend your logic, I think, good middos is the only sure sign of good yihus, and opposite – of opposite.

Absolutely correct, but it’s not MY logic, it’s a Gemara in Kiddushin 71a, which is brought להלכה למעשה in detail in Even HaEzer Siman 2. So, don’t be משתדך with trolls…

ujm said – It is only applicable to Yehudim; not to shkotzim who calls us Jews sonei yisroel.

Google ‘circular reasoning’ and ‘no true Scotsman’. (If you even take yourself seriously, something I think is questionable…)

yya > but it’s not MY logic, it’s a Gemara in Kiddushin 71a, which is brought להלכה למעשה in detail in Even HaEzer Siman 2.
of course

coffee > You don’t know of any goyim that have good middos?

the way I understand it – if you find someone with bad middos among Jews, you should suspect them. Does not say anything about some gyyim being nice. It relates to intermarriages – Jews who marry non-Jews did an aveirah; non-Jews who marry Jew might be a tzadik who tries to find his way to Torah, or just in general hold Jews in high esteem (credit: my FIL). So, ironically, those children who are halachikally non-Jewish might have a tzaddekes for a mother.

Ujm gentile blood means he’s just less inbred. Lol. Our inbred genes means we didn’t read the Bible correctly. So who are you insulting ujm

First of all ujm if we were rambling about morality it would apply to everyone. I’m assuming your like possibly 23 and very heavily brainwashed by yeshiva propaganda. You might want to uh start thinking critically. It’s cute but doesn’t really hold up to scrutiny