May 20, 2011 3:30 am at 3:30 am #768816Kshmo Kein HuMember
“That’s not what the course is called, troll.”
Uhhh… so yes the class happens to be called that…
And troll? serious? should I cry now?
Yea I’m a little full of it, judging by the intelligence level in this discussion, and my relative superiority, can you blame me?
Troll… ha yea okMay 20, 2011 3:37 am at 3:37 am #768817mddMember
Pac-Man, stop manufacturing issurim out of thin air!!! There are enough real ones in Shulchan Aruch! Rabi Yehuda and his wife had only one dress for two of them. According to you they violated the obligation to be like royalty. STOP IT ALREADY!May 20, 2011 3:43 am at 3:43 am #768818Kshmo Kein HuMember
and yea I know I’m a little comma happyMay 20, 2011 3:47 am at 3:47 am #768819MindOverChatterParticipant
The issue isn’t tznius at all. It is just chikus hagoy.
IMHO, there are far more important tznius issues to discuss. Tight, fitted, flashy clothing for instance.May 20, 2011 6:43 am at 6:43 am #768820
Pac-Man and everyone else who says jeans are lower class
Do you also have a problem with men wearing polo shirts when they are playing basketball? Or girls wearing t-shirts? Those are definitely less classy than a white shirt…May 20, 2011 6:47 am at 6:47 am #768821
The issue isn’t tznius at all. It is just chikus hagoy.
Black hats and streimels originated from the goyim too.May 20, 2011 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm #768822shlishiMember
Whether somethings considered Chukas Hagoyim depends on the goy’s intention. Znus (and avoda zora) stuff do fall in that category. And according to at least one poster who works in the industry, denim fashion is designed for znus. If that is indeed the case, then it would be chukas hagoyim (and disgusting) to wear denim.May 20, 2011 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm #768825
PS: Mods can I get a subtitle change? I’d like it to read “shelo asani frummak” Thanks.May 20, 2011 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #768826SacrilegeMember
This is going no where fast.May 20, 2011 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #768827Josh31Participant
I have strong doubts that the fine Egyptian linen of 2000 years ago was created with any less improper intentions than modern denim. However, it was used by the Kohain Gadol on Yom Kippur.
We can not ban a material from being used to create clothing that are now associated with modest orthodox Jewish women.May 20, 2011 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #768828mikehall12382Member
is the issue the material or color? I mean I have a pair of black Jeans, that from far can be mistaken for pants…where does that leave me, im confused 🙁May 20, 2011 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #768829
mike: If this was a halachic issue, there would be a siman in shulchan aruch with shiurim.
Josh: Didn’t the Kohen Gadol wear Indian linen on yom kippur? Just trying to steer this thread towards something worthwhile.May 20, 2011 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #768830yid.periodMember
Is there no cotton that is designed for znus? Wool? how can we denounce a material in its entirety!?May 20, 2011 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #768831WolfishMusingsParticipant
And according to at least one poster who works in the industry, denim fashion is designed for znus.
If denim is, then certainly lingerie is. Are you positing that the use of lingerie is forbidden as well?
The WolfMay 20, 2011 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #768832
Don’t try to apply logic to this. Won’t work.May 20, 2011 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #768833
I was gonna ask that as well but didn’t think it would get through.May 20, 2011 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #768835apushatayidParticipant
Regarding what the Kohen Gadol wore… this is in perek gimmel in yoma.
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You are both correct. In the morning he wore “pilusin” which the Rav tells us came from Ramses (Egypt) but in the evening he wore from Hodu (india). One thing is pretty certain, he didnt wear denim.May 20, 2011 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #768836
You’re right, he wore techeles which is identical to kele ha’ilan which is the dye that was originally used for jeans. (Most now use a synthetic dye.)May 20, 2011 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #768837SacrilegeMember
What a raunchy site this is! 😉
Me too. I don’t know which mod posted it, but it wasn’t 95May 20, 2011 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #768838TheGoqParticipant
“and yea I know I’m a little comma happy”
that better than being comma depressedMay 20, 2011 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #768839adorableParticipant
are you depressed GOQ? you sound down a little….May 20, 2011 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #768840yid.periodMember
so everybody is in agreement now?May 20, 2011 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #768841
🙂May 20, 2011 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #768842TheGoqParticipant
no adorable im not depressed ty for asking as i said in the lady liberty thread got no sleep last nite but i am maintaining and will make it through the workday 🙂May 20, 2011 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #768843brotherofursParticipant
sorry everyone for bringing this up, i think it’s just causing arguments and bad feelings 🙁May 20, 2011 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #768844apushatayidParticipant
“so everybody is in agreement now?”
Not sure about anyone else, but I certainly agree that men should not be wearing jean skirts.May 21, 2011 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #768845twistedParticipant
It is noted many times in the biographies of The Chazon Ish z’kl, that while in Europe, he wore the garments of a common laborer.
Just a little factoid to digest…
To BestBubby: in EY the slightest sniff of American gashmiyus, real, or imagined can get a child booted out of certain schools.May 22, 2011 2:36 am at 2:36 am #768846YW Moderator-80Member
interesting factoid to digest.
based on that, probably if he were alive today he would wear bluejeans, a baseball cap and sneakers. i dont know why the Gedolim of today dont.May 22, 2011 2:38 am at 2:38 am #768847Pac-ManMember
I take it Mod 80 is using a dose of sarcasm.May 22, 2011 3:12 am at 3:12 am #768848oomisParticipant
Why should Pac-Man think that comment was sarcastic? Those ARE the garments of many typical laborers, are they not?May 22, 2011 3:49 am at 3:49 am #768849ShrekMember
PLEASE don’t go telling yeshiva boys that they are required to dress like royalty. Do you know how much those suits, shirts, shoes, socks and ties cost the Royal Family? Everything they wear is custom made.
All we need, yeshiva boys abandoning the SYMS bash and deciding that it’s am mitzvah to buy European designer suits at Barneys. Because it’s a big mitzvah to dress like kings and princes. Armani is thanking you already.
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