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    I am very worried about this particular kid that never smiles, ever since she was an infant rarely/never smiles..

    could there be depression in infancy that is preventing her from being happy?

    question is what is causing it? the parents give her everything she needs, emotionally, physically, etc…

    Although I’ve seen the father of the child be comppassionate toward her, It has been told to me that his parents never showed compassion toward him as a child,- it is possible tht it stems from this,

    what do you guys think?

    any experts out there…

    not my child but I am concerned.

    #891049
    OneOfMany
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    He/she may or may not be disturbed by the fact that he/she appears to be two genders.

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    more: i don’t think anyone can help you here based on the few details you gave, besides for saying ‘perhaps’.

    If you are concerned, you should be speaking to someone who knows her personally.

    OOM: what do you mean?

    #891051
    mommamia22
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    I think the first question is what is your role?

    As a teacher, her emotional state can affect her academic learning and her social/peer relationships. It’s logical and maybe even expected that you would want to inquire. It would be a good opportunity to recommend a psychosocial evaluation and maybe even some play therapy.

    As a neighbor, your role would be completely different. If you are truly concerned, you could take the opportunity to get to know this family better. Visit them in their home environment. Observe them. Notice the condition of the home, the demeanor of this child and any others within the home, family interactions, the mood of the parents and their interactions with eachother and the kids. Keep an eye out for signs of neglect (filthy home or appearance, lack of interaction or proper supervision, nutritional deprivation (do the kids appear severely underweight?).

    There are too many unknows here. Could there be a developmental issue? What is the family history? Have there been any life altering events, such as death, loss of job/income, marital conflict, even general depression within the family context?

    You’re also describing inconsistencies. You state that others claim there was no warmth/compassion shown to this child as an infant, however you have witnessed the father being compassionate towards her. Then you state the parents give her everything she needs. How reliable is this information?

    I would refrain from making any assumptions, good or bad, at this point. I think it’s more of an opportune moment to get to know her and them before making a decision whether this merits further investigation and involvement.

    #891052
    yitayningwut
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    rofl

    #891053
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    oom- Where has it been indicated that the child is a he?

    #891054
    gregaaron
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    could there be depression in infancy that is preventing her from being happy?

    question is what is causing it? the parents give her everything she needs, emotionally, physically, etc…

    In that case, there is little reason for her to have been depressed (withdrawn) as a baby. Is it just that she never smiles, or is she never happy?

    Either way, presumably her parents have discussed this with their doctor and possibly other professionals, so there is no need for their friend – their very well meaning friend – to worry about it.

    #891055
    OneOfMany
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    choc: Did you read the OP carefully?

    #891056
    Sam2
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    OOM: Although I’ve seen the father of the child be comppassionate toward her, It has been told to me that his parents never showed compassion toward him as a child,- it is possible tht it stems from this,

    The “him” in that statement was referring to the father.

    #891057
    557
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    OOM: I was reading it like you did as well… however, I think where the OP refers to the child as a ‘him’ is actually referring to the father, i.e. the father’s parents never showed compassion to the father when the father was a child.

    #891058
    mewho
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    nah i wouldnt worry. i know a whole family that rarely smiles and its hard to imagine it coz the mother has a huge set of teeth.

    none of the kids smile. mindblowing

    #891059
    OneOfMany
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    Oh whoops, my bad…

    #891060
    MorahRach
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    Can I ask the obvious question? Does the child show other signs of depression/abuse/neglect/ or other emotional issues? A very common sign of autism is lack of emotional response and lack of smile, socially withdrawn, lack of eye contact. Do you see any of these signs?

    #891061
    oomis
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    Although I’ve seen the father of the child be comppassionate toward her, It has been told to me that his parents never showed compassion toward him as a child,- it is possible tht it stems from this,”

    I actually misread this the same way as OOM did (no relation to Oomis). What does the lack of compassion shown by grandparents to their son, have anything to do with the son nonetheless being a compassionate father to his daughter? He is fortunate indeed to have developed empathy in SPITE of having a parent who was not a role model for the same for him.

    It is VERY rare that a healthy, normal child does not smile. In fact, smiling is one of the first social development milestones. I would want to have this child evaluated. Does she act out, exhibit ANY type of emotion?

    #891062
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    ooomis”It is VERY rare that a healthy, normal child does not smile. In fact, smiling is one of the first social development milestones. I would want to have this child evaluated. Does she act out, exhibit ANY type of emotion?”

    come to think of it the only emotion that this child used to really exhibit was exsessive crying. Now that has stopped…

    oomis”What does the lack of compassion shown by grandparents to their son, have anything to do with the son nonetheless being a compassionate father to his daughter? He is fortunate indeed to have developed empathy in SPITE of having a parent who was not a role model for the same for him.”

    I think it’s very commendable that this father has developed empathy without actually formally recieving any from his parents. However I’m saying perhaps the father doesn’t know what real empathy is and therefore has passed a superficialness onto the child which has created this ‘hostility’…

    MorahRach

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    “Can I ask the obvious question? Does the child show other signs of depression/abuse/neglect/ or other emotional issues?” possibly depression but abuse and neglect no. definitely not.

    “A very common sign of autism is lack of emotional response and lack of smile, socially withdrawn, lack of eye contact. Do you see any of these signs?”

    What you are saying here is very possible. these symtoms that you are listing here actually applies with this child.

    Now the question is, What sort of help does this child need? and How do I explain to these parents that their precious child who in their eyes are perfect needs help? There’s no way in the world that they will accept it..

    #891063
    MorahRach
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    I’m so sorry I know how hard it is to have to have this discussion. Many times, as a teacher I have had to approach parents with concerns like this and it does not get better over time. Can I ask what age the child is now? If something like what we are discussing is going on her teacher should notice it. That is unless the child is still very young and maybe the school has yet to pick up on it.

    #891065
    yichusdik
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    Absence of facial expression or reading social queues even at an early age may indicate the presence of an autism spectrum disorder (could be very mild/high function) such as Aspergers. Does the child seem to be particularly bright?

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