August 30, 2011 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #599002MichaelCMember
can a Kohen marry a woman with a Jewish mother, but a non Jewish farther?August 30, 2011 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #803664
yes.August 30, 2011 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #803665flowersParticipant
There is no such thing as a “half Jew”. Either a person is Jewish or not Jewish. Jewish is one who is born to a Jewish mother or converted according to Jewish law.
Having a non Jewish father doesn’t disqualify a girl who is Jewish from birth from marrying a Kohen.August 30, 2011 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #803666Derech HaMelechMember
That’s not a half Jew that’s a whole Jew.August 30, 2011 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #803667bombmaniacParticipant
there is no such thing as a half jewAugust 30, 2011 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #803668
isnt there something about an eved canaani who is owned in partnership and one partner gives him freedom and he has a bris, etc. ?August 30, 2011 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #803671benignumanParticipant
A Kohen is not allowed to marry the child of a non-jewish father. It is a machlokes rishonim but we pasken that it is assur. V’im nissas lo teitzei.August 30, 2011 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #803672yeshivahmanMember
A Kohen may not marry someone who is born from a non-jewish father (shu”a eh”e 7) For all other dinim s/he is considered fully jewish (according to most rishonim look Tosafos Yevamos 16:, 22, Kiddushin 77:, Marshal Marsha).August 30, 2011 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #803673oyveykidsthesedaysMember
Someone with a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father is fully Jewish. Someone with a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father is fully non-Jewish. There’s no such thing as a half-Jew.August 30, 2011 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #803674charliehallParticipant
“isnt there something about an eved canaani who is owned in partnership and one partner gives him freedom and he has a bris, etc. ?”
An Eved Canaani is in fact a sort of half-Jew, as he is chiyev in some commandments. He can’t marry a Jew unless he is freed. IIRC, in the case of an EC who is owned by more than one Jew, and for whom one of the Jewish owners has freed the EC from that part-owner’s bondage, we force the other Jewish owners to complete the liberation from bondage.
After freedom, EC becomes a full fledged convert, with no need for a beit din, and no need for formal acceptance of the mitzvot. I have seen some suggest that this is a way around the current “conversion controversy”.August 30, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #803675
why not shes not a chullul. at worst shes pogum. why cant she?August 30, 2011 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #803676MichaelCMember
Thank you ‘yeshivahman’August 30, 2011 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm #803677ny100kParticipant
Coming to a Yeshiva World forum for halachic advice on such an important issue is really sad.August 30, 2011 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #803678yeshivahmanMember
Toi. she is a pogum L’kehuna which forbids a Kohen from marrying. Yevamos 45. (see also Rif and Ramban)August 30, 2011 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #803679
what is really sad is holier than thou posters who have to interrupt every Halachic discussion with comments about how the discussion is not appropriate.
ny100k: do you see anything here other than a discussion of Halacha?
can you please quote the relevant passage from the above posts asking for a psak or even advice!?
do you ever discuss Torah or Halachah matters with your friends, or only with Poskim and Rabbaim?August 30, 2011 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #803680midwesternerParticipant
With all due respect, #80, please look at the OP. “can a Kohen marry a woman with a Jewish mother, but a non Jewish farther?” Someone was asking for something there!
Chatzi eved chatzi benchorin was a machlokes BS vs BH. BH said oved es rabo yom echad v’es atzmo yom echad. BS said tikantem es rabo, v;es atzmo lo tikantem. Ela Kofin es rabo v’oseh oso ben chorin, v’kosev lo shtar al chatzi damav. The it says that Chazru Bais Hillel l’horos k’veis Shamai. Should be Gittin 41-ish. Big sugya in BB 13 with a massive tosfos.August 30, 2011 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #803681
Someone was asking for something there!
yes michael was asking an interesting question as he always does, you thought he was asking us to give him a psak regarding this question being nogayah to him?
you assumed he is a Kohen and is planning to marry a Jew with a goy father and came here for our psak din?August 30, 2011 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #803682
while that is possible by a very large stretch of the imagination, do you think that highly unlikely possibility warrants a condescending comment by a fellow poster as to how sad this discussion and everyone who has participated in it is?August 30, 2011 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #803683
oy vey!! elul!!August 30, 2011 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #803684oyveykidsthesedaysMember
ny100k said: “Coming to a Yeshiva World forum for halachic advice on such an important issue is really sad.”
This is one of those questions that anyone can answer. It’s like asking, “Are you allowed to eat a chicken-and-cheese sandwich?” (Assuming you’re not starving to death)August 31, 2011 2:54 am at 2:54 am #803685ItcheSrulikMember
Mod 80: Your case is a 3/4 Jew. A regular eved knaani is a half Jew.
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