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  • #1929996
    bored guy
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    does anyone have any info on the best out of the box kosher shaver that does not need to be checked fixed or dulled?

    #1930151
    DovidBT
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    I use a hair trimmer for shaving.

    #1930173
    Reb Eliezer
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    Make sure you don’t press the machine to your face.

    #1930201
    VHere Rebbe
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    There are no such things. Poiskim from both the Litvishe Velt and the Chassidishe Velt both came to the same conclusion. Shaving is an issue regardless of how it is done.

    #1930213
    TRUEBT
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    From over here:
    Sorry, we don’t allow external links

    The classic answers are
    1) the Phillips Norelco 6948XL which has been renamed Shaver 2100.
    It does not have “lift and cut” technology. It sells for $200 on Amazon.

    2) The Phillips Norelco Corded Electric Shaver 1100 also known as S1150/81.
    Same as 1, but as the name implies if you are more than a few feet away from an electrical outlet, you will not be able to shave. It sells for $30 on Amazon.

    Since Corona Virus has us all cutting our own hair, you can ask about:

    Panasonic ER GB80-S for $50,

    Star-K has a complete discussion of the halacha over here:
    Sorry again

    This has been in the CR before. Look over here:
    https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/kosher-electric-shavers”

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    #1930259
    TRUEBT
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    Thank you to the moderator for taking the time to edit my post instead of deleting it which would have been quicker and easier for the moderator.

    #1930307
    bored guy
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    thanks. but just saying you can get the philips norelco 2100 for $40 on philips norelco’s site. so no need to spend $200 .

    #1930541
    Yserbius123
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    Rav Moshe Heineman SHLITA has spoken and written extensively on the topic. If you go to the Star-K website and search for “shaver” there’s numerous articles that list criteria you need to look out for along with brands of shavers you can use.

    #1930615
    Reb Eliezer
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    The topic is discussed in detail in Yabia Omer YD (9,10) especially what I mentioned before about not pressing the machine to the face.

    #1930799
    Wolfson
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    Although Rav Moshe Heinemann shlita wrote in articles posted in the Star-K website and Kashrus Kurrents publication (also posted in the Star-K website) regarding permissible shavers, he was careful to qualify that he is referring to shavers “acceptable by the Poskim who permit the use of shavers” (i.e., the Igros Moshe). Halacha l’maaseh (practically speaking), however, in a public notice on his personal letterhead dated 19 Menachem Av 5769 (which was widely publicized at the time and was posted in shuls and yeshivos in many communities), Rav Moshe Heinemann wrote that since there is a dispute between the poskim regarding the halachic status of shaving machines and those who prohibit their use consider them Osur Min HaTorah, therefore those who do not want to grow their beards should not use any regular shaver since they produce a clean shave (in contrast with a trimmer). The letter is co-signed by the Roshei Yeshiva of Beth Medrash Govoha in Lakewood (Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Yeruchim Olshin, Rav Dovid Tzvi Schustal and Rav Yisroel Tzvi Neuman) who add that use of regular shavers involves a sefeika d’oraysa.

    Regarding the Yabia Omer (9,10), Rav Ovadia Yosef modified his position in his latter years. Rav Ovadia Yosef’s own son, the current Sephardic Chief Rabbi Rav Yitzchok Yosef (author of the popular halachah sefarim Yalkut Yosef), years after the publication of Yabia Omer volume 9, promulgated a widely disseminated kriah kedoshah (reproduced in the sefer Lo Sakifu, Holon, 5772, p. 217) quoting his father as maintaining that no Jew should use shaving machines and that one should not rely on leaving stubble (achieved by not “pressing” the shaver against the skin) and promising good shidduchim to those who grow their beards.
    Many sources rejected the heter of not pressing the machine to the face, including the Chazon Ish (see recently published Chazon Ish-Shaalos U’Teshuvos section 156); Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Halichos Shlomo on tefillah, p. 11); the Minchas Yitzchok (volume 4 section 113); Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani – Inyanim page 218); Rav Moshe Sternbuch (Teshuvos V’Hanhagos 5:264). Moreover, Rav Elyashiv also categorically rejected this circumvention and ruled that if even just two hairs are cut close to the skin (which is inevitable even if one does avoid pressing), the shaver may not be used (Ashrei Ha’Ish, Y.D. p. 142).

    #1930895
    Reb Eliezer
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    Wolfson what do you do if people need to shave?

    #1930899
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Chasam Sofer argues in O’CH 159 about kabalah and imitating the goyim. Leaving stubles should preclude lo silbash.

    #1930927
    Yserbius123
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    @Reb-Eliezer Presumably people do what Israeli Chareidim do and use shaving cream. When I lived there, the most popular brand was “Black Magic” which was meant for bald black people. Trim your beard down to a stubble, apply cream, leave for three minutes, scrape off with a dull piece of plastic, wash your face really well.

    #1930965
    Reb Eliezer
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    Referring to the Yabia Omer above letter 15 from the Cbazon Ish that this stringency leads to a leniency. We find the Nodah Beyehudah allowed to shave with a poor worker on Chal Hamoad as if we let his beard grow to long, he might have to use a saar or gilette which is surely assur. It might be uncomfortable to grow a beard, protecting against pimples underneath it, using the above method. What happens to lo silbash if no stubles are left using cream or powder?

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