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I just learned in the Gemara in Shabbos that the reason that children die young is because we didn’t properly mourn gedolim
I think this is a wake up call
wow!!!!! how come I never heard of that before? pretty scary
dont think its a good title though
i didnt learn that Gemorrah…yet.
but i have a suspicion that it is interpreted as being ONE of the possible reasons
The truth is we do NOT know the reason he died and dont belive anyone when they say they do know the reason.
thank you mod thats much better- makes more sense
I will admit I do not belive in any conncection between a former congressman’s twittering and his death. I seriously doubt Leiby ever heard of him or twitter.
reb moshe weingerger shilita rav aguudah of flatbush said the relatioship is since we didnt have the gedolim alive it may have cause the murderer to fall so low
the gedolim save us from problems just like when beis hamikdosh was around there were less problems in klal yisorel
Mod 80, well said!
Who are we to interpret the actions of G-d?
I agree, nobody knows why…we can try to rationalize it, we can learn from it and try to improve ourselves, build bridges (especially among all the frum yidden), stop all the “infighting…but to say it happened because of this or that is only wide speculation…Only Hashem and perhaps a very select Gadols know for sure…
Zdad and AN:
while what you say is true
nevertheless according to the Gedolim and local Rabbaim who speak about such things
it is helpful, and perhaps we are even mchuyiv to speculate on these matters based on our Mesorah.
we ARE meant to learn from all events, especially those directly affecting Klal Yisroel
“I just learned in the Gemara in Shabbos that the reason that children die young is because we didn’t properly mourn gedolim”
Source (daf, amud)?
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Today Am Yisroel is in danger all over the world. The Gemara in Shabbos (33a) says, “Because of Nivul Peh there are many troubles and bad decrees are enacted. Young men die and orphans and widows cries go unanswered.” Rav Chaim Kanievsky has said that Nivul Peh includes rechilus, loshon hora, and cursing others.
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The local Rabbanim in my neighborhood took makus on themselves for not doing enough about abuse.
zahavasdad
“The local Rabbanim in my neighborhood took makus on themselves for not doing enough about abuse.”
I think they should allow those who were abused to give the malkus….
“Source (daf, amud)?”
ca
Plz put down your coffee mug for a moment & disclose the source 🙂
If you think that we don’t mourn gedolim today, I will suggest to you that you are living on another planet. We have at least 3 big Jewish news sources which are orthodox that post the names and information on all gedolim online. I would have never known of any of these people had it not been for vosizneias, ywn and matzav. I suggest you try again as there is a big movement in our peopel who are recalling the deaths and yahrzeits of our gedolim today. I don’t think we can ask for more in this age. But that said, mourn of course, but don’t spite our people every time there is a tragedy. You do not know Hashems will any more than you do when a Torah scroll falls from the ark.
zd- not that Leiby had to have heard about that scandal but it brought tumah into the world.
I heard that some gadol said (dont rem who) that when women walk in the streets not dressed properly, then the streets become an unsafe place for children physically.
adorable- but when men do things wrong (i.e. molest children), then the streets don’t become an unsafe place?
The gemmorroh DOES say that if one is not maspid a Talmid Chochom properly, he deserves to be buried alive.
far- I did not say that but this is what I heard! if you dont like it, hang yourself
Coffee addict,
Chill out! I just mentioned it as a side point.
In fact there was that famous story where the Chasam Sofer had to travel to a place where there were certain baths he needed for his health. While he was in treatment, the brick walls which surrounded the bath, started to cave in.
The Ch S then realized that there was a Talmid Chochom which was niftar and he wasnt there to give the hesped. He asked Mechila and the walls started to go back.
I dont remember the exact details of the story, but the point was well taken. .
i dont think the point is a good one but whatever. I just meant to say that you cannot argue with something that I was repeating. i was not the one that made it up (i would not have been able to do such a good job) but I meant that you cannot come and argue about what is said. Molesters make the world a sad place but they are not polluting the world. they may physically be unsafe for the sake of the children in the streets but maybe they don’t send the shechina away. i have no clue. if you want more info ask a LOR
coffee- i wasnt sure that would make it through but it did. wow the mods must be lenient today. its an expression that i unfortunately got used to using….. LOL
“has their deaths (all 3 of them put together) been equal to or greater then Leiby (there hasn’t been 3 CR posts about it yet there are more than 10 about Leiby I’m not talking about news sources I’m talking about if you get affected by it as much as Leiby or a terror attack”
You can’t say this death or that is “greater” or “equal” etc. Only Hashem know’s for sure…
What I Will say is Leiby’s death was a tragedy…An innocent life cut short under horrific circumstances, and of all things done by an “observant” Jew…
The gedolim’s death while still a Tragedy for KAL Yisroel, the circumstances surrounding there death was more “normal”. I.E The natural order of getting older and passing away at an old age…
isn’t it sad that something so “not normal” has to happen to wake us up?
MIKEHALL SAYS;
‘The gedolim’s death while still a Tragedy for KAL Yisroel, the circumstances surrounding there death was more “normal”. I.E The natural order of getting older and passing away at an old age…’
Rav Shimshon Sherer adresses that very same issue, and brings an inspiring explaination.
Got to matzav.com and search for Friday, July 22, shimshon Sherrer
adorable- you say that you remember you heard a rabbi say it, but aren’t sure who. yet, you remember exactly what he said?
Why on earth should I “hang myself” if I am refuting a point that you say? what does hanging myself have to do with anything? it won’t make my statement any less true.
By saying it it is showing you believe it. I hear many things said by all sorts of people, but I don’t repeat what I don’t believe.
and to say: “Molesters make the world a sad place but they are not polluting the world”. You don’t think molesting someone is pollution, you don’t think acting out on one’s basest urges like that is pollution? Don’t tell me your rabbi said that too.
my rabbi didnt say anything. i remember a good vort that i heard but not who said it. sorry i did not hear it from him- but i heard a shiur where someone quoted a gadol by saying this
“isn’t it sad that something so “not normal” has to happen to wake us up?”
Yes, I agree with the above…but we all expect people once a person reaches a certain age to eventually pass away…so when it happens we are upset and hurt by that…but I don’t say it comes as a horrible shock, especially if they were sick.
Thus, we may not feel the “wake up call”…Unfortuatly as humans sometimes we need a horrific event to take notice…I wish the gentle reminders would be enouigh for us.
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