Lessons Learned from the False Arrest of the Innocent Tzadik in Flatbush
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March 27, 2023 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #2177574anonymous JewParticipant
BTW, I know the family and they are black hat yeshivish, not chassidishMarch 27, 2023 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #2177575
Who used the term “chassidish”?March 27, 2023 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #2177578
other than NYPD, all other actions will be in beis din. Will be interesting to see.March 27, 2023 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #2177588ujmParticipant
N0: Qualified immunity only applies to the officers as individuals; it does not protect the department or entity as a whole.March 28, 2023 7:15 am at 7:15 am #2177683ubiquitinParticipant
for NYPD there has to be “probable cause” No question being accused of asking a child to leave with you is “probable cause”March 28, 2023 7:16 am at 7:16 am #2177670
@AAQ, most likely will be that beis din will give a heter to sue because its already part of a larger tort with none jew involved.March 28, 2023 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #2177744PekakParticipant
Hopefully, the chasid has learned the very important lesson of not touching other people’s children for any reason.”March 28, 2023 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #2177765@fakenewsParticipant
I have seen brought down (forgive me, I don’t recall the exact source.) in the name of Chasidic Rabonim that is preferable to walk through, holding something even as minor as tzitzis or peyos, then to make a big to do of asking the ladies to move or asking somebody else to walk through with you (and potentially getting them stuck on the other side or being machshil them, and walking back through)
So perhaps have a serious conversation with your Rabbi or Moreh Derech regarding what actual lessons to take from us.March 28, 2023 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #2177816
I wrote “chasid”, which has other meanings and uses besides “chassidish”. You may want to read the entire thread from the beginning.March 28, 2023 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #2178085
common, are you saying that because others are suing an Yid in a goyishe curt, beis din will let you join them? makes no sense to me. do you have references?March 28, 2023 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #2178086
@fakenews, as I suggested several pages earlier, why not just learn a sefer or by heart. Where is a tzadik running?March 29, 2023 10:21 am at 10:21 am #2178158
@AAQ, ask your local daas torah, I am not going to get sidetracked.March 29, 2023 11:14 am at 11:14 am #2178163ubiquitinParticipant
I think he’s saying becasue the NYPD is involved and the ycan be sued in secular court beis din will let him include the mother and shomirim.
It is good that it makes no sense to yo, because the whole thing is silly. no-one is getting sued. I mean there are frivolous cases but even lawyers have their limitsMarch 29, 2023 11:15 am at 11:15 am #2178237
Please stop sidetracking common with any facts or questions. He’s busy watching YouTube videos on legal strategy to assist the chasid with a lawsuit that won’t happen.March 29, 2023 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #2178285
@Hadofi, when one asks “ahbe to hock a chinik” like they say in yiddish, I don’t have the inclination to spend my time arguing with him, I advised him to consult with his LOR if he had any questions on halacha.
PS I don’t need to watch YouTube, I am a risk manager and deal with torts all day long.March 31, 2023 3:33 am at 3:33 am #2178917
GadolHadofi, sounds like CS was suing someone and got a reshus from his buddy at beis din that he is embarrassed to defend and feels like will not be upheld by others, so he does not want to mislead me and directs me to the LOR.March 31, 2023 9:05 am at 9:05 am #2179009Doing my bestParticipant
I am a little nauseated by how far the world has went. A Yungerman asks a boy to walk through a hallway with him in full view of his mother and other women, and he is called all sorts of names because he touched his shoulder for a few seconds, and it’s his own fault that he got arrested? Are you mad? And if I tap a ten year old on the shoulder to ask him to pass me a piece kugel by a crowded kiddush, it’s curtains for me? That’s ridiculous.
We are not all involved in this constant thinking about every move in certain terms when it comes to children. And these mentalities trickle down to the kids too in inappropriate fashion, I know someone who worked in a more modern camp (by my standards, for you that may be regular) and he told me that every other time two kids had near physical contact with one another they immediately called each other “creep!”. That’s not normal. People of any age should not be constantly thinking in such terms.
Yes, obviously there is a problem out there, and we must be on the lookout for such things. But that doesn’t mean one must panic at the slightest touch. These things must be dealt with slowly and with caution, not jumping to the moon at the slightest hint at anything wrong.
This is not how a Jewish society operates, you have to use seichel. Maybe instead of worrying about abusers single-track-mindedly, worry about innocent people sitting in jail too, I think that a few years in prison is at the very least a comparable tragedy an abuser situation. Take the time to use your brains! this is not an all or nothing, the police don’t have to be called that very second.
P.S. Anyone slightly yeshivish (Besides the ladies) knows that a man doesn’t walk between two Ladies. So while it may be true that your circles somehow abolished this halachah(?!) it didn’t happen by the yeshivah oilam.
And P.P.S. I heard from someone who knows the Chassid/Tzaddik/Litvak that he is also a major Talmid Chacham.March 31, 2023 9:07 am at 9:07 am #2179027
@AAQ, I Never sued anyone and have no open torts against anyone, let me makes this clear to people who like to twist what other people say, when one has a question about halacha one consults with a Rav/ Dayan about the parameters of the facts, regardless of its a question chillul shabbos, end of life or torts, I am a risk manager not a posek, if you noticed I NEVER debate halacha lemisha and defer those questions to his/hers LOR
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