August 18, 2017 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #1342045BlackHatLLCParticipantAugust 18, 2017 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1342209
Her name is Rosa Parks.August 18, 2017 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1342387
If it’s a public bus, why should she haveto move?August 18, 2017 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1342483
IF her point was you be confrontational then she’s just a jerk.August 18, 2017 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1342524
It’s an Anti-Semitic self-hating Jew traveling together with her Yarmulka wearing boyfriend sitting next to her.August 18, 2017 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1342526
LC: It’s a privately owned bus who has the right to set their own (religious or otherwise) seating rules.August 18, 2017 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1342535
“It’s an Anti-Semitic self-hating Jew traveling together with her Yarmulka wearing boyfriend sitting next to her.”
I love how your version of our religion always involved not just assuming the worst about people, but actually stating it as fact. You should be embarrassed. Even if she is any, or all of what you say, does a crumb of a pintele yid still live somewhere inside of you begging you to at least make a show of judging someone less harshly….if more favorably is just too far beyond your means? c’mon, give it a try.August 18, 2017 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #1342539yitzchokmParticipant
Did we both just watch the same video? Are you not sure of her intentions?
She’s a terrible person.August 18, 2017 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #1342542iacisrmmaParticipant
What was the purpose of posting this video? Especially when we don’t have the video of the entire confrontation. I don’t know about this bus so I can’t comment about what the normal seating arrangement is.August 18, 2017 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1342543
Syag, someone like that who makes a public spectacle to attack tznius and Torah Judaism, and violate the bus owners principles of proprietary and modesty, is not entitled to the assumption of possessing a pintele yid within her.
EditedAugust 18, 2017 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1342544ayidParticipant
תיהי חכם ולא צדק, this what should be applied here, the owner/driver should have ignore them if they don’t want to end uo in endless lawsuits (in US and Canada) press/social media will be delighted with this story (starting from MO/OO up to the French Anti-Semites in Montreal). Even if it was a setup how many times would they do it.
they should have eye-masks (like the ones you get in first-class, on planes) available, for the men for such a situation.
What was the end of the story??August 18, 2017 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1342545
If they receive public money, its considered public , even if its a private company. That was the case on the Monsey bus. It was a private company, but they received state money so they had to obey state lawsAugust 18, 2017 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1342561
I dont know any details here, but I can certainly see how someone would want to sit next to their spouse and not a stranger.August 18, 2017 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #1342565
The end of the story was that the bus driver called the police and the officers forced that woman and her male friend to leave the bus since the bus owner has the right to decide who he permits on his private bus.August 18, 2017 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1342563
joseph, you know very well I was questioning *your* pintele yid.
Regarding calling someone such a disgusting name (it’s now edited out)…I don’t see a woman on the video at all. I assume it is that unfiltered internet you claim not to use that allowed you a viewing at things you shouldn’t be looking at. Or if you do have the filtered version than you see no woman at all and you are guilty of having a lewd imagination.August 18, 2017 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1342569
Syag, ma’am, my filter allows YWN, and the YWN story states, in English, that it’s a woman.
The word I used for her was based on her action and attitude (described), not her appearance.August 18, 2017 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1342570
If it is truly a private bus and no government funds at all. it is very likely the bus driver has the right to throw off anyone from the bus they wantAugust 18, 2017 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1342578
“The now edited out word you used was a reference to her appearance” (mod comment you edited out)
exactly, and a very explicitly specific appearance.
Then I apologize about the unfiltered option but I’m on the fence about the imagination, but not your overwhelming hatred for people who may also not be as it appears. This habit of yours, goes against everything our Torah teaches about about how to see, judge and speak about people. You are wrong. Even if she actually is the epitome of evil, your behavior as a learned Jew is unexcusable.August 18, 2017 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1342610Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
Let’s not and say we did.August 18, 2017 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #1342620
You people are all sneaker-eating goombas. This thread was started just for the reason of opening a can of worms (or maybe just to bait Joseph) and everyone just goes with it? Pufflegraps. All of you. Unless you’re just dolts.August 18, 2017 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #1342622
LU, didn’t Joseph speak lashon harah on the woman and MO/OO?August 18, 2017 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1342632
Lilmod, you are not a sneaker-eating goomba. You just came here to say that we shouldn’t all be sneaker-eating goombas and “hock” about this.August 18, 2017 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #1342642mw13Participant
It’s a privately owned bus who has the right to set their own (religious or otherwise) seating rules.
Is that true? Would a Muslim bus company have the right to send Jews to the back of the bus due to their religious beliefs?
I’ve always said, if the mehadrin bus companies would just have the women sit in the front and the men sit in the back, they wouldn’t have half as many problems.August 18, 2017 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #1342662
Yes, a Muslim, privately owned bus company, would have that right.
Secondly, your suggestion of men in back has no legal distinction (in secular law) from women in back. Furthermore, halachicly men shouldn’t be behind women.August 18, 2017 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #1342683🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
Joseph- that is incorrect. The halacha is that a man shouldn’t walk behind a woman, not that he shouldn’t be behind one. There is a huge difference between the two. I see men (including very chashuva men) sitting behind women on city busses all the time.
Personally I feel that if a company wants separate seating they should either do side by side (like on the Monsey bus) or do women in the front. This way a pregnant woman who is easily nauseated isn’t subjected to the additional bouncing of the seat from sitting in the back.August 18, 2017 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1342694
Gamanit, do you know the reason *why* the Halacha is that men are prohibited from walking behind women? The same reason could easily be applicable to sitting behind them, especially for an extended period of time.
So while I certainly won’t tell you it is an absolute prohibition, once you’re separating men and women on the bus, it makes far more halachic sense and common sense to put the men in front of the women.August 18, 2017 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1342695adocsParticipant
Halachicly men shouldnt walk behind women
What is your source for saying they shouldn’t sit behind women?August 19, 2017 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #1342710
Joseph, what about an 11 hour flight to Israel?August 19, 2017 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1342715
See my previous comment. I addressed that question.
Halachicly there’s no absolute Halacha that men and women have to be separated altogether on pubic transportation. So why aren’t you demanding that the private Jewish buses stop the separation completely?
The answer is that it is a geder to separate them. And when it comes to issues of men and women, Halacha specifically tells us to add more gedorim in this area. And far better to have the men looking ahead at the driver for the 7 hour commute to Montreal (or three hour commute to the Catskills or two hour commute to Lakewood) than for the men to be seeing a bunch of women every time they’re looking up.August 19, 2017 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1342759hujuParticipant
Without contextual information, this video is meaningless. Is it a public bus? Are there reserved seats on the bus? Was the chosid doing much of the talking correct that the woman was sitting in “his” seat? We do not have sufficient information to evaluate the conduct of the individuals heard on the video. So many of the commenters utterly overlook the lack of contextual information but comment anyway.August 20, 2017 1:34 am at 1:34 am #1342795
Joseph, one can establish gederim for himself but not for others. Even for himself he must be careful as an unwarranted chumra in one area can cause unwarranted kulot in other areas (e.g. children who refuse to eat it their parents’ homes because the parents’ level of kashrut is more lenient).August 20, 2017 1:35 am at 1:35 am #1342796
Once a woman deliberately sat next to an Ashkenazi rosh yeshiva. He changed his seat and there was a big argument. The next day she sat next to a Sephardi rodh yeshiva. He ignored her and she got off disappointed. A bochur who saw both incidents asked him about it. He said “Hu rav. Ani chacham”.August 20, 2017 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1342803
It should also be noted that if the bus company was awarded the route by a public entity or receives subsidies it is subject to anti-discrimination laws. If not it may or may not have a religious exemption and the laws in Canada and the US might be different.August 20, 2017 8:09 am at 8:09 am #1342806
Joseph, do you really expect the mods to allow someone to explain to you in detail the difference between sitting behind a woman and walking behind the woman? Is that what you want?August 20, 2017 8:10 am at 8:10 am #1342808
Everyone in the video was being very rude, especially the person behind the camera.August 20, 2017 8:12 am at 8:12 am #1342809YosselFromChelmParticipant
1. The woman seems like she was just trying to cause trouble. Was she doing the right thing? Probably not. But the response was equally stupid. Be the chacham. (from Avi K’s story)
2. If you want to separate people, the best solution seems to be the right side/left side separation.
3. Having women sit behind men is also a viable solution. To me, walking behind a woman seems very very different than sitting behind a woman. And even that problem is only for the people sitting in the frontmost row of men, the only ones sitting in a row directly behind women. If you want to set extra gedarim for yourself, sit further back.
4. Zahavasdad: If they weren’t just trying to cause trouble, her spouse (probably not actually married) would have just sat next to her.
5. Ayid: great point. For all the machmirim, just bring an eye cover.
6. Joseph: Wow, you seem like a really pleasant fellow.August 20, 2017 11:36 am at 11:36 am #1342927mw13Participant
your suggestion of men in back has no legal distinction (in secular law) from women in back.
No legal distinction, but a big practical distinction. When’s the last time you saw a video of a man making a scene about separate seating? It’s always the women complaining.
IMHO, this is due to the current national pastime of being offended by identity politics. The liberal/MSM world has instilled most of us with the tendency to view certain groups as oppressors and certain groups as oppressed, regardless of the actual facts on the ground. (If an academic comes out with a study suggesting police end up arresting more black people than white people, they’re hailed as a hero for standing up for the oppressed; if somebody points out that this because more black people commit crimes than white people, they’re derided as a racist sticking up for the oppressor.)
Therefore, liberal women have a tendency to view every separation of the genders as an affront to their being, while the men don’t. But if you put the men in the back and the women in the front, libs will see it as sticking up for the poor oppressed women, not sticking up for the evil oppressive men.
If the mehadrin buses called it something catchy in PC-jargon like “a dignity tax on male privilege “, they might even start a cult following.August 20, 2017 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm #1343025
Even all things being equal, there’s absolutely no reason for Yidden to surrender to the political zeitgeist to prove ourselves to the goyim or to the feminists (Jewish or gentile).
Secondly, even were one inclined to surrender to said political zeitgeist and the loudmouths, as I elucidated above there’s very good halachic/hashkafic reasons to put men before women rather than vice versa. (Otherwise you could just as well argue against separating the seating on the bus in the first place.)August 20, 2017 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1343109
Joseph, mechitzas exist.August 20, 2017 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1343116
If you put a mechitza halfway through the bus, the driver’s rearview will be obstructed. Doesn’t seem safe.August 20, 2017 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #1343143
I haven’t been on buses that weren’t too crowded for the driver’s rearview not to be obstructed.August 20, 2017 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #1343200TheGoqParticipant
This appears to me like a Toieva couple purposefully going to a bakery that they know is opposed to toieva marriage yes the bakery is open for business and should not discriminate but the couple is just trying to cause trouble two wrongs do not make a right.August 21, 2017 7:27 am at 7:27 am #1343278Shopping613 🌠Participant
Left to right is a stupid idea. Forget the clothes issue and assume the men will look the other way, women and young girls like myself can be extremely loud, yelling, hugging, talking, etc. I am guilty of doing many of these although I’m trying to work on it. Especially for me, I have an issue where I cannot sense when I’m being too loud or too quiet, my friends remind me a lot when i don’t even realize I’m talking so loud.
1. There’s more than one bus company. If you are pregnant-take another company. Or sit in the middle-as in the front of the women’s half.
2. I’ve been on MANY mehadrin buses and I see couples all the time-sitting together in the middle of the bus.August 21, 2017 7:27 am at 7:27 am #1343279
Joseph, busses haven’t had rear windows for a long timeAugust 21, 2017 10:31 am at 10:31 am #1343448
MW, IMHO it is because of the history of putting people in the back of the bus to express their supposed inferiority.August 21, 2017 10:31 am at 10:31 am #1343478
Shopping, if some girls cannot behave with proper decorum in public, maybe they shouldn’t take buses. This should have no impact on the bus rules.August 21, 2017 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1343531ayidParticipant
Himan’s bus is not subsidies by any government. Greyhound and Adirondack tours have the this route from NYC to Montreal, and I think they were in court with the Quebec gov. a couple of years ago..August 21, 2017 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1343534Shopping613 🌠Participant
If SOME girls? More like 75 percent of young girls.
It’s not just buses, it’s everywhere. Execpt that you aren’t forced to sit next to them for 40 minutes to 4 hours.August 21, 2017 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1343556LubavitcherParticipant
Men should sit along the whole left and woman the whole right just like the other busses with a mechitzaAugust 21, 2017 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1343560
If that is the case, Shopping613, then 75% of girls should be banned from buses. Being female is no excuse for acting like a hooligan.
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