February 8, 2012 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #601967
is it attention seeking, for a single girl to be wearing make-up all the time… she doesn’t have to look beautiful for her husband..So what’s the point at that particular stage??
Especially plastered all over her face…-this FRUM YESHIVISHE girl in work, I don’t intentionally look at her, but her makeup is I’d say overdone.. I can tell that she feels uncomfortable that pple stare at her, should I arrange for someone to speak to her, obviously i’m not going to speak to her myself on that topic…lol:) So My Main question is why would a FRUM single girl want to wear makeup???February 8, 2012 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #853185mommamia22Participant
Precisely for that reason, that she is single. She wants to “market” herself as beautiful, and makeup can enhance a woman’s beauty. A shidduch can come from anywhere, even from a co-worker who thinks of her for a friend or a client who has a nephew, etc…February 8, 2012 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #853186hockster613Member
usually when a girl puts on a lot of makeup, its to cover up imperfections. as it is called “make up” to make up for what is lacking. In todays velt, its the way of the medina to put a tad as to look respectable but not to overdo it. If she is a true beauty she wouldnt over do it.February 8, 2012 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #853187
” why would a FRUM single girl want to wear makeup??? “
Simple. To get from “single” and “married”.
And then, all the makeup that Lancome can produce is justified.February 9, 2012 12:24 am at 12:24 am #853188
People wear makeup to feel good about themselves. You can wake up in the morning feeling so blah but bronzer, lipgloss and eyeliner can make you feel like a different person.
Maybe this girl at work has horrible skin. So she globs on the makeup. She thinks it’s pretty and classy. It’s none of your business. Stop looking.
You just feel guilt about staring at her all day so you’re making it her fault by saying that she wears too much makeup and is asking for it.February 9, 2012 12:43 am at 12:43 am #853189
so you guys are zuging that she’s the norm????February 9, 2012 12:44 am at 12:44 am #853190
whoops she might log into this post…lol:) don’t take it personally I was concerned….February 9, 2012 12:48 am at 12:48 am #853191yentingyentaParticipant
maybe you should ask single girls WHY she wears makeup. and i’ll even answer your question. if i did not wear makeup, i would not want to look in the mirror. i wear ‘full face’ makeup every day but it varies in heaviness based on the setting.
as hockster613 said, its usually to cover up a problem spot or bring emphasis to one area. ei, eyeliner to brighten eyes or make them look larger than they are. but i agree there is a fine line between looking respectable and presentable and overdone/circus clown. each situation a young women puts on make up, being for work, college, shabbos, wedding etc. requires a different type of application, be it heavier or more neutral. it kinda a sensitivity to know the amount of makeup needed, just like certain styles of dress are ‘tznius’ but those with a sensitivity to tznius won’t wear that style.February 9, 2012 3:53 am at 3:53 am #853192golden momMember
its crazy for girls to wear so much make up its not like shes a clown in the circus i mean she wears to make a good impression so pp relize her and will hopefully set her up right then she has to go out so she puts on again this glown make up gets married and the first morning her husband bumps into her bf her make up and hes like who are u? make any sense not to meFebruary 9, 2012 4:15 am at 4:15 am #853193oomisParticipant
So marry a girl who wears no makeup. Don’t tell other girls not to make themselves feel more attractive, if they feel makeup is needed. Someone who wears clownish makeup should have a makeup artist tell her that, not you. There is no issur on being or feeling pretty. Some people need more help than others. As to the why of it – that should be fairly obvious.February 9, 2012 4:18 am at 4:18 am #853194
There is nothing wrong with single girls wearing makeup as a matter they should be wearing it! Obviously if applied correctly only- if someone is wearing heavy eye makeup or an overly bright lipstick yeah there is something wrong. There is a difference between attractive and attracting.
Now for wearing makeup in general- Everyone should try to look their best regardless if they are single or married. So blush to cover up paleness or eyeliner to bring out your eyes a bit or a nice gloss to your lips…it just enahnces your appearance, and just makes you look more vibrant! Its actually quite annoying when i see other girls or even marrieds (some teachers too) who are walking around with a pale face or dry lips- just put something on!!February 9, 2012 9:34 am at 9:34 am #853195babygooseParticipant
well, every teenager looks forward to make up.
and just like some people i know, when they get to use or do something they have been waiting for, in the begining it’s over exxxxagerated and then either it calms down or it doesn’t. (driving, texting, drinking, etc.)
also, understand that she might feel a little undermind, and this is her way of filling a need she’s lacking.
or maybe, she want’s to portray herself a certain way, that can only be achieved this way.
anyway, just be don lekaf zechus.February 9, 2012 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm #853196greatestMember
When should the makeup start?
Is there any good reason an 8 year old or a 12 year old should NOT wear makeup if a 14 year old or 16 year old could? Why is a 16 year old different than a 19 year old in this regard? Why should age make any difference before she enters shidduchim?February 9, 2012 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #853197
“is it attention seeking, for a single girl to be wearing make-up all the time”
No, it’s not. For her, it’s part of getting dressed in the morning.
“she doesn’t have to look beautiful for her husband..So what’s the point at that particular stage??”
Taka a guess.
“So My Main question is why would a FRUM single girl want to wear makeup???”
Why not?February 9, 2012 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #853198NechomahParticipant
If you think she feels uncomfortable because people are staring at her, it’s a sign that she doesn’t realize that her makeup is overdone. Make up can be done with a light, even hand and it would make her look nice, but too much looks clownish. She won’t get from “single” to “married” if she looks ridiculous.February 9, 2012 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #853199pet peeveMember
regardless if she is married or single, it is certainly NONE of your business how much makeup a woman wears or how she wears it. don’t arrange for anyone to speak with her about how she looks–mind your own business!February 9, 2012 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #853200popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I think kids should wear make-up. I think that doing otherwise represses their femininity. I think it is different than other things we consider not-tznius, in that it doesn’t call attention, and doesn’t display anything. I’m not certain I’m willing to equate not tznius with unattractive.
But you might be able to convince me.February 9, 2012 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #853201A Heimishe MomParticipant
While my moniker may or may not say anything about my taste in make-up (minimal), it can be used to cover imperfections and highlight stronger features, but it should not looked “caked”. Perhaps this girl needs a lesson or two in how to apply it properly to cover that which needs to, but at the same time look bataamt. Such a suggestion needs to come from a parent, sibling, or friend. An anonymous gift certificate left on her keyboard might work as well (if noone else either knows about it), but leave her feeling very self-conscious in the office.February 9, 2012 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #853202pascha bchochmaParticipant
I like wearing makeup, people tell me it looks natural and seem surprised that I wear makeup. It’s part of my daily routine.
Makeup is tznius! It’s existed for centuries and is meant to enhance your looks, not attract attention. In fact, I’ll argue that we need to give tznius makeup classes so girls can know apply makeup properly.
Is it Tznius to walk around wearing a golden crown saying “Yerushalayim shel Zahav”?February 9, 2012 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #853203WolfishMusingsParticipant
I allow my daughter (teenage) to wear nail polish, as long as it’s not loud and tasteless. Yes, I know that means that I’m a horrible parent.
The WolfFebruary 9, 2012 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #853204BTGuyParticipant
Sometimes people may want to feel they look their best not for the purpose of attracting the wrong attention, but to feel their best and put themselves in a good mood and to have an elevated sense of esteem. Of course, aesthetics being a subjective thing, to a good degree, we may not always appreciate the style of others or their tastes.
Some people are always exploring different styles and looks whether they are good at it or not.February 9, 2012 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #853205
“Taka a guess.” what’s that meant to mean?February 9, 2012 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #853207
Not to go off topic, but what if you have the opposite–a girl who doesn’t like to wear makeup. Will she have a hard time getting married?February 10, 2012 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #853208
Sorry. Meant to write “take a guess.”February 10, 2012 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #853209
“Yes, I know that means that I’m a horrible parent.”
No, but it most likely means you live somewhere besides BP or Willy.February 12, 2012 12:34 am at 12:34 am #853210HLMMember
One thing I learnt in school is
You should look atractive, not attracting.February 12, 2012 1:41 am at 1:41 am #853211WolfishMusingsParticipant
You should look atractive, not attracting.
Please explain the difference between the two, considering the fact that the root of both words is “attract.”
Failing that, please explain how you apply the difference in your everyday life.
The WolfFebruary 12, 2012 2:06 am at 2:06 am #853212OneOfManyParticipant
lol, that’s what they told us too.
Wolf, it’s just a cute gimmick, but the point they’re trying to make is that you’re supposed to pretty as long as you aren’t actively trying to attract.February 12, 2012 3:19 am at 3:19 am #853213
My questions are always ignored in the CR. It’s cool, no worries.February 12, 2012 11:44 am at 11:44 am #853214
Queen Bee – actually, I have always much preferred to see girls without any form of make-up. I tried to convince my wife before our chassunah that she shouldn’t wear any make-up at the chassunah. I leave it up to you to figure out who won that argument… 🙂
Really, my view on make-up is rather simple. It consists of two simple facts:
* Ugly girls are ugly. Make-up won’t change that.
* Good-looking girls are good-looking. Make-up won’t change that.
Logical conclusion from that: make-up is completely pointless.
I’m well aware that mine is a minority opinion. I think make-up should be banned. The only purpose it serves is to make a person look ‘cheap’.
In Israel I have seen many, often American, borderline ‘yeshivish’ girls wearing so much make-up that in Amsterdam one would expect to find them working in the Red Light District. I think that is completely disgusting and it is a huge shame that any parent will allow their daughter to walk around like that.February 12, 2012 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #853215dunnoMember
I always had the same question lolFebruary 12, 2012 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #853216PanthersMember
wolf and dunno i think its that IF they look at you they think hey she looks really good
but now that you’re walking down the street and everyones head starts turning because of the amount of makeup the person is wearing.February 12, 2012 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #853217dunnoMember
But if you look good won’t people look at you?February 12, 2012 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #853219
Thanks for your reply, The Chassidishe Gatesheader.
The thing I have an issue with is: why should girls even have to wear makeup? It should be love “me the way I am.” Even if a girl doesn’t want to wear makeup, everyone around her does, and the thought of her husband looking at other girls really scares her, so she puts on makeup. Or even a girl who’s dating–she might be scared that guys won’t feel attracted to her the way they feel attracted to other girls because she doesn’t wear makeup. Sigh.
My principal also said that line, that a girl should be attractive but not attracting. I didn’t really get it either, and I thought it was really ridiculous.February 13, 2012 1:17 am at 1:17 am #853220yentingyentaParticipant
attractive vs attracting- my humble opinion.
attractive meaning a young lady looks nice, pleasant, presentable, put together etc
attracting-when people on the street turn to get a better look. over the top, calling for attention.
i think its a fine line and not all girls can see it. i actually got a rude wake up call in a sense a few days ago. i was on the train and a man said to me after i stood up to transfer trains “you get off at x street, right?” so i said uuuhh ya i do….. and he said ya i get off there too…..
i don’t wear bright colored makeup or heavy makeup for a 3 day y”t but i do wear make up every day. i’m not going to stop wearing makeup but i think i am going to put it on a little lighter….
i’m not brave enough to go bare skinned and the few times i have, classmates want to know if i’m feeling OK because i am naturally very pale. i think it is accepted now for single girls of marriageable age-post HS and seminary to wear makeup. i’m not one to rock the boat and make waves by stopping or being one to set an example. in theory, it would be nice if we were judged as who we are and not what we wear but in this day and age…….February 13, 2012 2:10 am at 2:10 am #853221
What some people don’t get is that the point of makeup is to accentuate your God-given qualities. For example; eye makeup is to make your eyes more pronounced, blush is to make your cheekbones sharper, lip makeup is to make your mouth stand out more.
Makeup is not for creating what’s not there, it’s for playing up your good features. If you can rock the whole no makeup look- good for you. No one says you have to wear makeup. Why you wouldn’t want to though, is beyond me.
As for the whole attractive vs. attracting thing, I never got it and I never will. IMHO, it’s impossible not to be attracting unless you walk around in an opaque bubble. No matter what you look like, there is always someone out there who will be attracted to you. You just have to learn how to not ask for negative attention (which is where tznius comes in).February 13, 2012 2:56 am at 2:56 am #853222yitayningwutParticipant
is it attention seeking, for a single girl to be taking showers all the time… she doesn’t have to look beautiful for her husband..So what’s the point at that particular stage??
Especially with soap and shampoo…-this FRUM YESHIVISHE girl in work, I don’t intentionally look at her, but her personal hygiene is I’d say overdone.. I can tell that she feels uncomfortable that pple stare at her, should I arrange for someone to speak to her, obviously i’m not going to speak to her myself on that topic…lol:) So My Main question is why would a FRUM single girl want to take showers???February 13, 2012 4:35 am at 4:35 am #853223OneOfManyParticipant
Chassidishe Gatesheader, I disagree. Very few girls are exceptionally beautiful or exceptionally ugly, so your point really isn’t applicable. Most are pretty ordinary looking, and as cinderella said, use makeup as a tool to enhance their cosmetic strengths and subtly disguise their flaws. Of course, when you put so much makeup on that you look like a different person you’re sort of defeating the purpose. (And possibly showing how much you hate yourself.) But that isn’t a reason to completely abjure makeup. Like many other things, it’s a tool that can be used to both great benefit and great detriment.
lol, yitayningwut…I think what I inferred from the OP is that it’s good for a married woman to plaster herself with makeup. But I’m not entirely sure I quite understood the OP anyway.February 13, 2012 7:22 am at 7:22 am #853224
Member:- “So My Main question is why would a FRUM single girl want to take showers???”
tsk tsk!!! she shouldn’t, It’s way too attractive LOL
she should smell like a skunk so no guy would want to go near her…JK of course!!February 13, 2012 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #853225
I wear makeup all the time, even when I have no plans to leave the house. For me, when my face is done, that IS me. And I think many women and girls would agree that husbands and shidduchim aside, they like themselves better in makeup.
I know many people, including myself, who apply makeup beautifully so they don’t look cheap or like red light district material. Most women are neither drop dead gorgeous nor ugly, and makeup can actually make them look beautiful. The fact that some women/girls have no idea how to apply it doesn’t make it pointless.February 13, 2012 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #853226realtalkMember
ok- so what do u say about a girl who turns heads or worse even without makeup and dresses really tziunsdig so that it shouldnt happen?February 13, 2012 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #853227
“Ugly girls are ugly. Make-up won’t change that.
Good-looking girls are good-looking. Make-up won’t change that”
Besides for the fact that ugly is a strong term, lets say people who don’t exactly have pretty features. Makeup can definiely improve their appearance.
There are so many techniques in makup that can help. Certain ways that blush is applied can make a round face look narrower, or it can even the severity of a double chin. Or if someone has bad skin a good base can cover blemishes/blotchiness and make it look smooth, which then results in putting on bronzer/blush to add coloring otherwise her face will be pale. Or if someone has a large nose lets say, putting nice coloring on her eyes can take focus away from her nose and it won’t be as bad.
As for pretty girls- good for them they don’t have to wear as much but everyone could use some more coloring- even pretty girls can wake up in the morning with a pale face and bags under her eyes! So a nice light touch is fine.
I can go on and on but i think that a lot has already been said.February 13, 2012 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #853228
To each her own, I guess.February 13, 2012 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #853229
realtalk- If a girl turns heads when she is wearing no makeup, is dressed completely tznius… there’s nothing she can do about it. She should try to avoid places where she would attract negative attention.
But there aren’t many people like that. There’s usually something- her attitude, the way she walks, talks… that is attracting the attention.February 13, 2012 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #853231
To be fair (even though, I’m an opponent of excessive makeup) properly applied makeup will make a pretty face, prettier.
But true beauty is in the attitude. I’m not saying a unibrow and ragged nails can be overcome by a cheerful smile, but to say,”I can’t go out, because my face is not made up”, that’s also uncalled for.
Funniest of all? When my wife puts on makeup/ eyeliner to go to the gym. And its an all woman facility!February 14, 2012 1:35 am at 1:35 am #853232
“Funniest of all? When my wife puts on makeup/ eyeliner to go to the gym. And its an all woman facility!”
What’s wrong with that? I do it. Why is it any different than putting on makeup before going shopping? We like to feel pretty all day, every day.February 14, 2012 4:35 am at 4:35 am #853234oomisParticipant
Funniest of all? When my wife puts on makeup/ eyeliner to go to the gym. And its an all woman facility! “
Which goes to prove what I have maintained all along – women dress for and put on makeup to look nice for themselves and for other women, and not necessarily to attract a man. We just like to look and feel pretty – period.February 14, 2012 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #853235
So true for many of us.February 14, 2012 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #853236
Gee. And here I thought it was all about us. Go figure :/February 14, 2012 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #853237
“but to say,”I can’t go out, because my face is not made up”, that’s also uncalled for.”
Its always when you have to run around the corner to the supermarket for five minutes, and you didn’t have time to put on anything and your feeling gross you meet the shadchan or the teacher you loved, or an old friend you haven’t seen in years….lol
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