Mazel Tov to Aly Raisman
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August 8, 2012 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #604476
She sure deserves a big Yasher Koach for her medal but even moreso for memorializing the Olympians who were killed 40 years ago.August 8, 2012 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #890585TheGoqParticipant
Amain!, also for doing her floor routine to hava nagila.August 8, 2012 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #890586
The Olympics are treif. Period.August 8, 2012 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #890587
Choppy: I don’t know that they are entirely treif. I can certainly agree that (even if you could claim she doesn’t know better and that this is great for her) that publicizing a woman’s accomplishments while performing in a leotard is probably not so good. She does deserve a Yasher Koach for what she did about those who died in Munich though.August 8, 2012 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #890588ItcheSrulikMember
Mazal tov. What’s Israel’s medal count, by the way? I haven’t been following the Olympics.August 8, 2012 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #890589
So are Lashon Horah, Rechilus and Motzei Shem Ra. Period.
That’s ok though. Doesn’t seem to matter much to some of the gedollim that post here.
I also watched the olympics and found this to be very inspiring and classy. I suppose that will open me up to being called all sorts of names by certain people here. That’s ok too.
After 120 I’ll be comfortable saying that while I owned a television I didn’t make it my mission to judge, mock and speak badly about others on a daily basis.August 8, 2012 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #890590akupermaParticipant
At least she is better dressed than the “Beach Volleyball” team – and in all fairness, she is too young to be blamed for how she was brought up.August 8, 2012 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #890591
Even putting aside the tarfus… what good is accomplished by making a memorial for terror victims at the Olympics? If it is so good, why don’t you give a drasha on Shabbos about it? And why, davka, those terror victims? And what good is doing it at the Olympics?August 8, 2012 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #890592optimusprimeMember
Classic choppyAugust 8, 2012 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #890593zahavasdadParticipant
Aly Raisman is not Israeli, Shes AmericanAugust 8, 2012 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #890594
choppy, for the record, my family and i attend an orthodox shule with a very bright and knowledgeable Rabbi. He DID speak about the 11 people who were MURDERED simply because they were JEWISH.
I doubt that he has a TV but he does keep up with the news in the world around him and I would think he read about the Kiddush Hashem from this young lady who we should all be proud of. Now, as I stated previosuly, if you dont have a tv or choose not to watch the olympics that is your business but it is disrespectful and discurteous to try and trash and minimize her accomplishments and the honor she gave to her fellow Jews.August 8, 2012 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #890595
Itche: None. And from what I was told the only competitors they have left don’t have a chance to win any either.August 8, 2012 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #890596
mewho: Krum.August 8, 2012 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #890597ZosHaTorahParticipant
What did she do that was a Kiddush Hashem? I get all my news from YWN. 🙂August 8, 2012 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #890598
choppy, what is that supposed to mean?August 8, 2012 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #890599Lakewood FellowMember
No not American, Jewish American and apparently proud of it!!!!
Chill the heck out. If every Frei Jew identified so strongly with the Jewish People the world would be a better place.
Having a proud Jew up there winning Gold to one of the most recognizably Jewish songs in the world is just about the same thing to me!August 8, 2012 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #890600
Keep it going choppy.
Keep telling us how much of a tzaddik you are while you insult other people simply because they don’t hold the same views as you.
I have no idea why such behavior towards others, which violates the most basic rules of yiddishkeit, is allowed to be posted here.August 9, 2012 12:17 am at 12:17 am #890601wallflowerParticipant
She didn’t memorialize the Munich athletes, all she said was that if there had been a moment of silence, she would have participated.August 9, 2012 2:08 am at 2:08 am #890602ItcheSrulikMember
Sam2: I found out since I googled it right after posting. Oh well.August 9, 2012 3:34 am at 3:34 am #890603
Wallflower: She also said how much more meaningful this was for her because it was on the 40th anniversary and the comment about the moment of silence was a clear shot at the IOC who refused to have one.August 9, 2012 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm #890604
geeez, cant people either watch the program OR read the entire articles in the newspapers? you cant always get a full story here or at vin.
the websites dont have enuf space to post EVERYTHING.August 9, 2012 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #890605
mewho: Which religion led you to utter that first word in your paragraph?August 9, 2012 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #890606
Mewho: Well, watching the program probably wouldn’t be so Kosher for half of the audience here.August 9, 2012 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #890608kfbParticipant
Choppy- you remind me of my friend who moved to the UWS and went otd. Read that post Bc it applies to you. My friend was so self righteous. He could do no wrong and would put people who was less “frumer” than him down. He eventually went otd Bc he realized how fake he was. Well he also had family issues.August 9, 2012 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #890609
She deserves nothing but ignoring her.August 9, 2012 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #890610kfbParticipant
Ahh finally the wisdom of popa bar Abba. Everyone was wondering where you were. If your going to make comments like these then please go back into hiding.August 9, 2012 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #890611
No need to wonder, I posted where I was.
I don’t respect athletes; I don’t respect the greek lifestyle or values. The entire thing is meaningless to me.
Why don’t you tell me what you are respecting here?August 9, 2012 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #890612
PBA: I don’t know about that. There’s nothing wrong with respecting someone for being best in the world at something. They can be an inspiration. HKBH gave them Kochos and they used them to the utmost. I respect the world’s greatest athletes the same way I respect the world’s best artist or musician, etc. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. (Respect doesn’t mean wishing to emulate; many of these great athletes earn respect with their accomplishments but lose personal respect because of their other actions.)August 9, 2012 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #890613
“After 120 I’ll be comfortable saying that while I owned a television I didn’t make it my mission to judge, mock and speak badly about others on a daily basis.”
ConcernedMember, after 120, will you also be comfortable saying that you watched non-tzanua women atthe olympics even though it’s against the Torah to do so?August 9, 2012 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #890614MorahRachMember
I respect them because they worked so hard for something. It’s amazing to work at something every day and accomplish your goals ( mainly being the best in the world at something). Before I got married I was training for a half marathon. I ran, I worked out I ate right.. I got married & pregnant bH and did not accomplish that goal, but if I had I would have been so proud of myself. Clearly in my case what I did accomplish was greater but that is not my point. The Olympics may not fit into a “torahdik” lifestyle, but who in the Olympics takes on a fully torahdik lifestyle anyway. ally raisman called attention the Jews in a positive way. Honestly most goyim when they think of Jews think of chassidim with long payos and and nickers. ( which is fine) BUT maybe if they think they can relate to us a little better it will lead to less anti-semitism. Who knows.August 9, 2012 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #890615
I respect them because they worked so hard for something.
Ok, but plenty of people do.
It’s amazing to work at something every day and accomplish your goals ( mainly being the best in the world at something).
Now you are being more accurate. People don’t respect olympians for working hard–they respect them for being the best. Well, they aren’t the best at anything valuable.
Honestly most goyim when they think of Jews think of chassidim with long payos and and nickers. ( which is fine) BUT maybe if they think they can relate to us a little better it will lead to less anti-semitism. Who knows.
Of course. If we’d just be more like them, we could all get along. We’ve been trying that on and off for about 3000 years I think. It hasn’t worked too well.August 9, 2012 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #890616MorahRachMember
You can have your negative attitude and pretend that I said we should all be more like them, or you can actually read what I wrote and try and see that I am right. A frum Jew is not going to compete or maybe even watch. Good! Fine! But for a Jew who doesn’t keep the mitzvos BUT is able to do something that to the outside world is bringing positive attention to us as a nation, I can’t complain about that.August 9, 2012 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #890617
We don’t need to bicker about what you did or didn’t mean.
If you mean that goyim seeing that jews are like them will lessen anti semitism, I think you are delusional.August 9, 2012 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #890618
Yes Shraga absolutely.
Will my punishment be worse since I watched the Olympics on various channels due to having cable?
Once again, another member jumps up to judge someone else.
You know… maybe you boys should have watched the Olympics after all… judges play a big factor.August 9, 2012 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #890619
“Once again, another member jumps up to judge someone else.”
Uh, actually, I didn’t judge you at all, I simply asked a question out of curiosity. And your answer was extremely enlightening.
Being that you state that you’re absolutely comfortable with doing things which are against the Torah, maybe you should find a different site for your commenting?August 9, 2012 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #890620
Yes, clearly I’m the problem here.
Not the members who claim to be religious yet utterly disregard a good portion of the Torah, specifically the part that teaches us how to interact with each other.
But yeah… I’m, sure somehow my watching TV in the privacy of my own home is worse than that.
Thank you for suggesting my exit. I’ll pass though. Trolls and psychopathic cultists aside, I do find this to be an enlightening website most of the time.August 9, 2012 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #890621shlishiMember
“the privacy of my own home”? The privacy of your own home does not afford you an exemption from following the laws of the Torah.August 9, 2012 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #890622
Shraga: Maybe, maybe if a person knows for sure that he will feel no attraction or have Hirhurim from the events then it’s Muttar to watch, but it would very much not be recommended. And to anyone who would claim that they can watch without any attraction, I would quote R’ Bina: “You’re either lying or you’re gay.”August 9, 2012 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #890623
“But yeah… I’m, sure somehow my watching TV in the privacy of my own home is worse than that.”
Straw man. No one said anything about your watching TV in the privacy of your own home. The discussion was about watching non-tzanua women on TV, which is against the Torah. You said, however, that even though you know it’s against the Torah, you still felt “absolutely” comfortable doing it.
Being that your flaunting your committing an Issur on a religious website, I wouldn’t be calling others a Troll…August 9, 2012 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #890624squeakParticipant
” She deserves nothing but ignoring her.”
Well, that’s one of the two thing most cr people are capable of. 1)Ignore. 2)Rants. Now say it together… See what I did?August 9, 2012 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #890625
So let’s recap:
I have a television and watched the Olympics. Most of you say that what I do is wrong.
I respect that.
I do feel that there are ways to say things, however, which seem to escape certain people. I don’t know… I find that more disturbing than me watching TV.
Anyways, that’s my opinion, you guys have yours.
I still wish you all the best.August 9, 2012 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #890626tahiniMember
Yes indeed well done Aly Raisman, her reference to the tragedy of Munich was very apt. If you do not consider it appropriate to watch, don’tAugust 10, 2012 4:58 am at 4:58 am #890627
i really have to say that people here that act like they are high and mighty or holy are the worst there is. if someone watches tv and watches the olympics that doesnt make them a bad person. people do waht they are comfortable with and can still be a wonderful person. we are not all on the same levels of religiousity here. matter of fact some of us may watch tv and the olympics yet not do some things that others do…such as berating watching the people who watch the olympics. i always feel that ”ben adam lechavero” is very important , yet i see many people here who do not hold by that.
id rahter know people who watch the olympics and are good to their fellow man then someone who doesnt watch it but is nasty.August 10, 2012 5:04 am at 5:04 am #890628
mewho: That’s a load of hogwash.
I ain’t judging who is a tzadik and who is a rasha (except joseph of course), but you certainly should be willing to call out who is following halacha and who is not.August 10, 2012 5:46 am at 5:46 am #890629chocandpatienceMember
squeak: clever.August 10, 2012 9:02 am at 9:02 am #890630KozovMember
I agree with what popa said, and would like to add that many people here are being hypocritical.August 10, 2012 9:41 am at 9:41 am #890631Der RavMember
How can a jew prancing around while drest prituzdikly be a kiddush Hashem? a kiddush Hashem is only when one brings more knoledge of hashem into the world and only within the prism of torah. There is no more godliness in the world because of her athletisism or her looking more normal to the goyim. This is most definately a chillul hashem as she was representint that which the torah is against. One cant make a kiddush Hashem while being over issurim. (this has nothing to do with her culpability as she is most likely a tinok shnishba)August 10, 2012 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #890632Feif UnParticipant
There are stories of the Barditchiver Rav where he found good things to say about the worst sort of people. He looked for drunks on the night of Pesach. He looked for non-frum Jews on Yom Kippur. For all of them, he found good things to say about them, and turned it into a tefillah for Hashem to judge the Jewish nation favorably.
Let’s all take a page from his book.
Hashem, look at this gymnast! She was raised to not know what it means to be frum and follow the Torah. She doesn’t know enough to dress properly on the international stage. Yet, despite all that, look at her caring for her fellow Jews! When the world won’t recognize Jews who died al kiddush Hashem, she gets up and stands up for what is right, and shows that she’s proud to be Jewish!
Hashem, even though we’ve fallen so far that we often don’t even realize it, please remember that we are still proud to be your chosen people! U’vchal zos, shimcha lo shachachnu! Na, al tishkacheinu!August 10, 2012 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #890633Derech HaMelechMember
(A classic CR thread:)
Topic: Something that half the people will be happy about and the other half will be upset about (17945627 posts)
Person A: Wow that’s amazing!
Person B: How could you think that’s amazing, that’s not what Yiddishkeit is about!!
A: Who are you to judge me? I hold that it is ok and I found a Rabbi that agrees with me!
B: I am not judging you, this thing that you think is ok is not acceptable. Plain and simple.
A: Oh really? I can prove that its muttar: me or someone I respect did/does this thing!
B: Well after 120 I’ll be comfortable in shamayim knowing that even though I may have been oiver on bein adam lchaveiro I still worked on my bein adam lamakom and didn’t hold of that!
A: Well after 120 I’ll be comfortable in shomayim knowing that even though I may have been oiver on bein adam lamakom I still worked on my bein adam lachaveiro and didn’t say what you said!
ad infinitum….August 10, 2012 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #890634KozovMember
Feif un- I agree with being melamed zchus, but we also have to be realistic about the halachik position in a case (which most often is complimentary to the limid zchus, so calling it a limud zchus is cheapening it). We can’t just pay attention to one, or the other.
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