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    popa_bar_abba
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    #1060610

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Good point.

    #1060613

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    DaasYochid, you’re on the mark.

    #1060614

    mybrother
    Member

    not so into the name, sounds kinda creepy

    any1 seen it?

    #1060615

    It’s really funny, but I don’t think it’s marketed/appropriate for young children

    #1060616

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Old children?

    #1060617

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I spoke to a few people who saw it; they thought it was well produced and very funny.

    There was concern about presenting the characters of the Megillah differently than Chaza’l, although there are very clear disclaimers.

    #1060619

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Artscroll is sold out.

    #1060620

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Is it like Young Avraham?

    #1060621

    I’ve never seen young Avraham. This is just a funny parody of the purim story where everything gets messed up. The animation is great! Not Pixar quality, but much better than any Frum film I’ve seen before. It’s very funny. My whole family enjoyed it- my parents, my teenage sisters and brothers and very young brother- we all laughed! It was great!

    #1060622

    notasheep
    Member

    I saw the ad. Why is there a character called Gimpel? There was no Yiddish at the time of the Purim story!

    #1060623

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Why is his name Lester? Creepy . . .

    #1060624

    sm29
    Participant

    it’s probably because it rhymes with Esther and so they picked Lester. Still creepy

    #1060625

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I saw the ad. Why is there a character called Gimpel? There was no Yiddish at the time of the Purim story!

    This story does not take place biy’mei Achashverosh.

    #1060626

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Syag, his name is Max, not Mo.

    #1060627

    Having grown up out of town some twenty yrs ago, where everyone basically watched Disney (we watched snow white in seventh grade in BY, the only disclaimer was a joke about the ending being cpr) and having stopped watching all tv/movies around nine yrs ago, I enjoyed this film a lot. However, it was sligtly too disney/goyish feeling for me to put it on for my kids (plus my oldest is only six. In theory tho…)

    It also really bothered me that the produces kept stressing that they wanted to raise the bar on Jewish entertainment. I’ve always learned and believed that its a good thing that we don’t have movies and tvs, not just cuz of bad content. They all too often are used as substitute parenting/babysitting, and are brain numbing and addictive for kids.

    I was once in a class by rabbi lieb kelemen (of neve yerushalayim) and i’ll never forget how he exclaimed “watch a movie with my kids?! I’d rather have a frontal lobotomy! There’s no communication, no kesher!” Then I had to go look up what a frontal lobotomy was 😉

    #1060628

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Are there parts where it is not obvious whether it’s a medrash you haven’t heard of, or a made up part?

    #1060629

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Popa, yes, but there’s additional footage in which CJ Kramer (the producer – he’s Rabbi Paysach Krohn’s son-in-law) details which parts are genuine, which are not, and which are conjecture.

    #1060630

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Oh.

    Are Rabbi Pesach krohn’s stories also made up then?

    edited

    #1060631

    apushatayid
    Participant

    and if they are?

    #1060632

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    play no games – YES!! that has to me the most intelligent and on target post of all! Your kids are fortunate to have you!

    #1060633

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Aw. Can we get a hint of the edited part?

    Added a period after the word ‘Oh’

    #1060634

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Yeah, I spelled Paysach correctly, but the mods changed it.

    #1060635

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I noticed that. I used his spelling (the correct spelling) for my own kid so I realized the mistake and knew it couldn’t possibly have been done by you.

    #1060636

    Idk playnogames.. One of my favorite childhood memories was watching lion king and Tarzan with my parents at home.. We would all snuggle up together and share chocolate and for weeks after my father would play act the main characters and we would quote lines from them all the time. Maybe it’s not YOUR ideal bonding experience, but it worked with my family.

    #1060637

    david_inuk
    Member

    I have a huge problem with twisting part of our heritage even if it is only for “entertainment” and even with “disclaimers”.

    #1060638

    apushatayid
    Participant

    so, what was twisted that so bothers you?

    #1060639

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    Megillas Lester is Officially Banned.

    Expect sales to go up exponentially.

    🙂

    P.S. (It may just be a sales pitch, not a real ban)

    #1060640

    oomis
    Participant

    I love watching certain Disney movies with my grandchildren who are old enough to understand them, and Baby Einstein with my 20 month old grandson who asks for it by name. That, and Uncle Moishy (in equal measure, and sometimes ONLY Uncle M will do). I love explaining all the different things to him, seeing the little hamster wheels turning in his brain, and hearing him call out different colors or words, or even sing along (using his own made up words). There is NOTHING like that special time. TV or movies are not all bad for kids. Just most of it is.

    #1060641

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    oomis – screen time (2D time) actually IS bad for kids, not because of the content as much as the developmental issues. If you look into it you will find it is absolutely not recommended for kids under 36 months (if I am recalling correctly). It is a problem on many levels in regard to brain development (or lack there of), the sedentary nature of the body, the lack of range of eye movement and it does have a potentially addictive quality in many kids, even though people would like to believe it doesn’t.

    Not policing here, just letting you know what’s out there.

    #1060642

    @oomis i hear what you are saying, but feel like that closeness can also be gained with books and outings. baby Einstein seems impressive, but in the long run there is evidence that not only does it not advance vocabulary and counting skills, it may also hinder the child from learning at age level.

    there’s lots of research also about sesame street and the like.

    #1060643

    @gryffindorable girl: i definitely hear that, as i have similar memories. but i also remember watching way too much tv and being way too invested in an imaginary world.

    as a young mother, i see even more now that kids are numbed and

    invested in videos, even kosher ones. i also hear mothers talk about how much pesach cleaning they’ve done, for eg, and when i ask how they do it with small kids, the answer is always either a dvd, or an electronic game, etc.

    for my own kids, i’ve debated ad nauseum with my father-in-law trying to convince him not to put uncle moishy dvds for my kids. the cds are great but i don’t find any valuable content in the dvds (“say hi to the plumber for me!!!”), and i wont enter it to my own house because i am too scared of falling in to the rabbit-hole: i’m often tired after work, have so much to do on sundays, etc, i don’t want the all too available crutch of sitting my kids down in front of uncle moishy’s dancing elephants to “free” myself.

    #1060644

    What is most striking about this is how people refuse to accept objective guidance because they are just interested in whatever is convenient for them. I tell people again and again that I prefer to withhold this video from my house, but they persist in making their own decisions about what to do in their houses. I just hope they don’t come crying to me when they’re children go off the derech and there other children can’t find shidduchim.

    #1060645

    YW Moderator-42
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    #1060646

    jbaldy22
    Member

    @Syag

    The AAP says under 24 months. That being said like most neurological issues its not so cut and dried. Would post a book with an opposing view but I am not sure that is allowed here. As far as I know the only issues for over 2 years old are the sleeping issues (because of the artificial light) and the fact that a lot of these kids aren’t getting proper exercise. The AAP’s recommendation is to keep it to 2 hours a day (for children over 2).

    @play no games pls

    I would love to see that study that says that it does not advance vocabulary and counting skills. I am suspecting a correlation causation issue with that study.

    Basically moderation is the key. If you don’t want your kids to watch videos because of your religious views that I can understand. But the view that watching a disney movie even once a week will adversely affect a child neurologically over two is not a widely held view. Seems like a lot of presupposition to me.

    #1060647

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “I tell people again and again that I prefer to withhold this video from my house, but they persist in making their own decisions about what to do in their houses.”

    since this comment is by someone who uses the name meshuggener, I will assume it was written in the spirit of adar.

    #1060648

    writersoul
    Member

    play no games: I don’t think the problem with movies, TV, etc in the frum community was ever really with the idea of sitting and watching; I think it was more with the content, and the fact that kids weren’t staring stupefied at screens all day was just a convenient plus. (Disclaimer: I used to wake up at five in the morning and my parents would plop me in front of the TV with a Winnie the Pooh tape. I turned out basically fine, according to some shitos.) Now that there is “kosher” entertainment, technically speaking there wouldn’t be implicitly a problem with TV or movies.

    I still think that in an ideal world I won’t show my kids nearly as much TV as I watched and I’ll try to limit their access to technology when they’re little, but who am I to assume I’ll be “better” or whatever than my parents?

    #1060649

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I don’t think the problem with movies, TV, etc in the frum community was ever really with the idea of sitting and watching; I think it was more with the content, and the fact that kids weren’t staring stupefied at screens all day was just a convenient plus.

    I don’t think this is true at all

    I turned out basically fine,

    no offense, I’m sure you are fine, but that is a lame argument for anything. Smokers use it all the time. So do people who don’t wear seat belts, don’t eat healthy, don’t daven with a minyan etc. Maybe you were just exceedingly fortunate.

    #1060650

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    but who am I to assume I’ll be “better” or whatever than my parents?

    As someone who is probably closer to your parents age than yours I can tell you that if TV, movies or books were then what they are now, your parents wouldn’t have plopped you in front of them. I grew up with a TV in almost every room, and my brothers would watch all the time. As soon as the shows got a bit less appropriate, and we were older by then, my dad started making rules about what we watched. You probably also are too young to remember (or know) that there were only a handful of channels and kids shows were only on for a certain period of the day. To say that your parents let you watch all the time as a basis for allowing kids to do so is comparing apples to kiwi.

    #1060651

    Logician
    Participant

    DY – but the kids watching are generally not going to know about that info.

    plg – My way differs from yours in two points:

    1. Even if you don’t bring them into the house, I DAVKA want a little in someone else’s. Something that’s flat out wrong, I don’t believe in exposing a little. But something like this, if they do sometimes get, it will take the edge off it, won’t be this amazing forbidden thing that they’ll dream of.

    2. You have to know yourself, but hey – life is this balancing act. Trust yourself a little! I bring it in, and only use when kids are sick, or my wife genuinely had a particularly hard day.

    #1060652

    @logician excellent points. and i do make exceptions also, such as their day camp dvd that just came in the mail. basically a once in a very rare while treat.

    but my kids are young, bright, active and inquisitive. i hate seeing them in zombie mode in front of a dvd. i don’t mind something like miami boys choir as much as i mind uncle moishy, cuz at least they get up and dance with it!

    #1060653

    @writersoul interesting that that has been your perspective. i’ve always had the opposite.

    in fact, to avoid and minimize conflict when i didn’t want my kids to watch tv (“even barney?!”) at my parents house years ago, when introducing the idea, i stressed that it wasn’t even as much as religious objection as a developmental one.

    @jbaldy22 i read about the studies in the series of books “what to expect” in “baby’s first year”. beyond that, i know much more data exists. i’d google it, but i don’t think i’d be allowed to post links anyway.

    #1060654

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    I agree very strongly to Play-No-Games. We see now the results of a generation raised on TV. People don’t think for themselves. Most arguments you hear are pre-packaged, consists of cliches, while the reciter has the look of someone who just expressed a thought-out response.

    #1060655

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Logician, there is also a clear warning, on screen, before the film starts, that it’s not the actual Purim story (it kind of looks like the FBI copyright warning I’ve seen on other videos).

    As you said, it’s a balancing act, so while I agree that it’s not an ideal, much as entertainment videos aren’t an ideal in general, it’s not an absolute taboo, at least in my life.

    If someone has an issue with it because it’s not authentic, or for that matter, with videos in general, I say kol hakavod, just be consistent about it.

    #1060656

    jbaldy22
    Member

    @play no games pls

    i own the series so it should be pretty easy for me to find it. will ask my wife who read it cover to cover.

    #1060657

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    play no games – Stand strong! I did the same as you and it was not easy! There were so many times that it would have been great to have a video babysit the kids but I pushed myself and I am so glad I did.

    My oldest is 20, youngest is 6 and I have the hindsight to say that it was worth every drop of sweat for just the reasons you say. And you know what the hardest part was? It was how my friends who wanted to limit videos couldn’t keep it up after so many years and they would give me such a hard time. I had a few people tell me the thought it was great that I was able to do this for my kids, and some told me how sorry they were for opening pandoras box because it evolved into more than they had wanted, but some friends were just mean. They felt it was important to let me know that there was no value in my mehalach and what could be so wrong with videos anyway. They put a lot of pressure on me to doubt myself and it was hard.

    But I see the difference and it is really worth it if you really believe in it and can present it appropriately. The 2D presentation really does zombie them out and, honestly, not just while they sit there but for a while afterwards. If you think you can take on the challenge, I wish you the koach to succeed!

    #1060658

    TheGoq
    Participant

    I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    Author unknown.

    #1060659

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Apparently the Lakewood Roshei Yeshiva have said not to watch it. They say it is “mechalell u’mevazeh es hakodesh”, “u’mehapech kedushas hamegila b’shinuyim mar’idim”.

    Well, there went that.

    #1060660

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Just curious, how do they know what the video is about? surely they didnt watch it themselves (of this I have no doubt). so, someone either watched it and gave his opinion and they made that announcement, or…..

    #1060661

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I’d assume somebody watched it and told them. I don’t assume they watched it.

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