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  • #774509

    bombmaniac
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    tahts not what happened…mishpacha basically told me that if its published anywhere else they may not be able to publish it. i wasnt sure if they meant online as well…so as a precaution i asked teh editor to remove it. this was all as a precaution…mishpacha never knew about it

    #774510

    shlishi
    Member

    Have you submitted it to them yet or are you waiting for this to first come down?

    #774511

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    i submitted it to them. they said that they would have used it but at the same time i submitted it to them, they had teh same bright idea i had 😛 they started interviewing kids who had been raised under bipolar parents…so they didnt need teh article. so im submitting it to other magazines.

    #774512

    Health
    Participant

    Bomb – Wow, what a conicidence! And if you believe that one -I have a bridge to sell you. I guess you gave them an idea how to make money and they figured out a way not to include you. If anyone who should be boycotted it’s Mispacha, not YWN! Totally disgusting!

    #774513

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    Why is it wrong of them? I gave them my content and asked them to publish. i was willing to relinquish rights to Mishpacha but not to Yeshiva World. The reason i posted it on YW was to get a feel of the response to the subject. Now, whether or not I’m right under the ToS of YW (before or after they were edited) is not relevant because I don’t want this to be a legal issue. I asked, as a favour, for the article to be removed. I didn’t think it was such an unreasonable request.

    As for not giving YW any future content, he can do what he wants and not delete this, and I can do what I want and never post any more articles here. That’s just the way it is.

    #774514

    adorable
    Participant

    mods- why are you giving him such a hard time. isnt it only mentchlichkite to remove his thread that he started? I dont get why its a big deal for you to just take it down. I would love for it to stay here and hear the rest of the story but I cannot force someone to do something they are not comfy doing.

    #774515

    “such a hard time”?

    he made a request

    the editor reviewed the request, made an editorial decision in the best interests of YWN, and denied it

    end of story

    #774516

    adorable
    Participant

    Why would it hurt you to take it down? what are the editors gaining. can you explain why they are giving him such a hard time about it. he has enough pain dont make this hard for him too

    #774517

    speaking as a spectator

    i dont know what this “hard time” is that you keep referring to

    any specifics youll have to ask the editor

    #774518

    adorable
    Participant

    i just feel bad for him thats it. I guess he can stick up for himself too

    #774519

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Mods,

    Any answer to my question on the previous page as to whether YWN asserts simply the right to use or exclusive rights?

    This is an important question to answer and impacts how I may interact with the boards in the future.

    The Wolf

    #774520

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    Wolf, the answer you get may not be so straight…the ToS were changed recently, i’m not sure when, but it was definitely after my request.

    Mod 80, i was never given a specific reason other than editorial decision. My problem was with the reasons for the decision. (which are still unclear to me)As Adorable said, YW stands only to lose by keeping this up. As i said in a message to the editor, i write what i write l’toeles harabim, and i think that print publications can reach a wider audience. I wrote what i wrote to help people, and i want maximum exposure. If YW cares at all about the rabim then they should take it down.

    Readers here like what i write. The articles and short stories I post here usually get tremendous response and much praise. I’m not bragging, I’m just saying that it is in YW’s best interests to keep me around and posting content. As i said above, I am withholding all future content until this thread is either removed, or until I approve it’s existence. Until then I will withhold any and all content that I may have posted here. I do in fact have stuff to share with the oilem here, but no one is going to see it until I get what I want.

    That may sound petulant, and you can judge me if you want, but those are my terms. So now the question remains: Your pride, or your readers’ desires. I think your readers have spoken in this thread. Listen to them.

    #774521

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Wolf: I don’t think you have a problem. You never clicked on these terms, and browse-wrap contracts are really not enforced.

    As far as a right of action against YW if the won’t take down a submission, I don’t think there could be any action, since the owner of the copyright posted it, so the publication was done by the owner.

    #774522

    adorable
    Participant

    bomb- I am with you on this one. Not sure why they are making such a big deal about it but just chalk it up as agmas nefesh and thats it.

    #774523

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf, the answer you get may not be so straight…the ToS were changed recently, i’m not sure when, but it was definitely after my request.

    I can’t do anything about the past. I would, however, like to know what the policy is going forward. It’s not an unreasonable request — and the official silence that I am receiving about it is deafening.

    The Wolf

    #774524

    bezalel
    Participant

    I can’t do anything about the past. I would, however, like to know what the policy is going forward.

    *All rules are subject to change without notice.

    #774525

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    *All rules are subject to change without notice.

    Within reason.

    Or, if the mods announce that, as of three days ago (when the rules changed without notice), there was a $50 per post fee, are you going to pay up?

    But even so, asking what the *current* policy is not unreasonable and the fact that neither the official moderators or the owner of the site has even said “hey, we’ll look into it and get back to you” (let alone come back with an actual answer) is disturbing to say the least.

    I don’t think my question is unreasonable. If we’re going to contribute to this site, we ought to know what our rights are concerning what we post. If asking a simple question such as this makes me a troublemaker, then fine, I’ll be a troublemaker. But I’d still like to know the answer.

    The Wolf

    #774526

    the moderators moderate the posts in the YWN coffee room. other than editorial decisions regarding what shall be posted they have no involvement in any way with official or unofficial policy of any area of YWN.

    and even their decisions regarding what is or isnt posted is subject to the approval of the editorial staff.

    please leave the moderators out of the discussion of your frustration.

    thank you

    #774527

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    please leave the moderators out of the discussion of your frustration.

    Fair enough. However, I did ask above if a moderator could at least bring this to the attention of TPTB. None of the moderators even said anything along the lines of “we’ll pass your question along” or “we passed it along but the boss ignored us” or anything else to indicate that they even saw it.

    Were you *required* to pass my request along? No, you weren’t. But I didn’t think it deserved to be ignored either.

    The Wolf

    #774528

    Bomb – Wow, what a conicidence! And if you believe that one -I have a bridge to sell you. I guess you gave them an idea how to make money and they figured out a way not to include you. If anyone who should be boycotted it’s Mispacha, not YWN! Totally disgusting!

    Total conjecture on your part, and therefore unfair.

    #774529

    apparently you didnt fully understand my post.

    to reiterate, please leave the moderators out of your discussion.

    please do not reply to this post.

    thank you

    #774530

    adorable
    Participant

    ok fine so editors please remove this thread. Sorry mod for coming down hard on you I just thought you would have more power than we do around here

    #774531

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    please do not reply to this post.

    Fine. I won’t. 🙂

    The Wolf

    #774532

    great, thanks, i knew i could count on you

    #774533

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    great, thanks, i knew i could count on you

    Hey, if you can’t count on me to utterly mess things up beyond all hope of salvage or redemption, who can you count on?

    The Wolf

    #774534

    adorable
    Participant

    I am really sorry mod about attacking you before. Please accept my apologies. And open that thread about you I liked it. its good to blush once in a while and get compliments.

    #774535

    i never felt you were attacking me.

    you were standing up for and speaking in behalf of a “comrade” that you felt had been wronged.

    commendable

    #774536

    Health
    Participant

    DY – I’m not going to pasken whether you have to Dan businesses L’caf Zecus, but if you’re doing it for Mispacha mag, why not for YWN? Maybe they have a perfectly good reason for not removing the whole topic.

    #774537

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    the difference being that mishpachas motives make perfect sense…there’s no need to be Dan them at all…they explained themselves…whereas yeshivaworld has not…

    #774538

    DY – I’m not going to pasken whether you have to Dan businesses L’caf Zecus, but if you’re doing it for Mispacha mag, why not for YWN? Maybe they have a perfectly good reason for not removing the whole topic.

    You’re right, but whereas if I conjecture as to why YWN won’t remove it, I run the risk of the readers disagreeing, and another round of condemnations, all I said regarding Mishpacha is that they might have thought of the topic before this piece was submitted to them. Nobody can know otherwise to disagree.

    #774539

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    Mishpacha DID think of the topic before I submitted it to them. That was the reason for their rejection.

    #774540

    Health
    Participant

    bombmaniac – For my own curiosity -how do you know?

    #774541

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    Because they told me.

    #774542

    Health
    Participant

    bombmaniac – “Because they told me.”

    Ohhh! “Now I see”, said the blindman.

    #774543

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    Health, I really don’t know what your problem is.

    #774544

    Health
    Participant

    bomb – I’ll explain it. I don’t believe their story and I don’t not believe it. It could be the Emes and it could not!

    #774545

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    Exactly who would you not believe them? It makes perfect sense. For the past few weeks Mishpacha has been publishing stories about mental illness; it makes perfect sense for them to have had the idea themselves.

    #774546

    Health
    Participant

    Bomb – That’s your prejorative and mine is to say maybe/maybe not.

    #774547

    bombmaniac
    Participant
    #774548

    okay

    so he meant prerogative

    you knew that

    #774551

    bombmaniac
    Participant

    And now he knows what the word he used means. 🙂

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