August 31, 2011 7:56 am at 7:56 am #599032
Michael savage once said that Hollywood is destroying are country.do you think this is true? Why or why notAugust 31, 2011 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #804594charliehallParticipant
No. It doesn’t have that kind of power.August 31, 2011 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #804595yungerman1Participant
Hollywood played -and continues to play- a large role in the demoralization and debasement of our society. Not to say that the hippie movement of the 60’s and 70’s didnt play a large role as well.August 31, 2011 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #804596mustangriderMember
Well, when celebrities have political opinions all of their fans who (consider them as gods) will automatically follow… That, in addition to yungerman1’s post, is the reason why, yes, Hollywood does have the power to “destroy” the country.August 31, 2011 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #804597YW Moderator-80Member
it sure is facilitating and mirroring the degeneration, certainly not the sole causeAugust 31, 2011 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #804598kol daveedMember
Blaming Hollywood is misleading at the very least as the problem isn’t limited to Hollywood. Rather, the problem is the media in general as it develops within us expectations of what is normal in all areas of our lives – relationships, work, fun, etc. Moreover, the distinction between Hollywood and the media is that Hollywood connotes film entertainment (television and movies) whereas the media is much broader and includes newspapers, talk radio, online content, etc.
Every year by the Three Weeks when I listen to talk radio instead of music I realize that what the ugly, filthy, hate-filled content on talk radio is just as bad if not worse than the other media that America consumes. The only difference is that somehow frum Jews like ourselves have been convinced that this is “kosher,” but this is certainly not the case. It is for us to realize that just as gazing at some goyishe beheimah in an un-tzniust outfit on a movie screen is tumah, so too is listening to and accepting the conclusions of any media outlet (conservative, liberal, etc.) because it too is at odds with Torah. We need to remember that everything has an affect upon our neshamas not only what we watch, but also what we listen to, and read, how we speak, act, and react, and all of this impacts how we connect to HaKadosh Baruch Hu.August 31, 2011 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #804599charliehallParticipant
I can’t understand why people would care what some model or actress has to say about a particular issue of substance unless that person actually has some experience in the matter. We have the spectacle today of Jenny McCarthy being treated as an expert on autism and her views even accepted by more than a few frum folks; her “expertise” was in taking her clothes off in front of a camera! In a previous generation, George Murphy was Director of Entertainment at Eisenhower’s inaugurations and managed to turn that into a US Senate term, and Ronald Reagan went from being Celebrity Spokesman for General Electric to President of the US.August 31, 2011 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #804600TomcheMember
And Obama went from “community activist” on the streets of Chicago to POTUS.August 31, 2011 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #804601TomcheMember
Charlie, I never heard of Jenny McCarthy before you mentioned her, and I doubt more than a minyan of frum Jews did either. Even if one of her views may be shared by some through happenstance.August 31, 2011 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #804602RSRHMember
Charlie: To be fair, Reagan did do a passable job at Governor of California for 8 years, so his resume was a bit more well-padded than, say, our current President. Otherwise, spot on!August 31, 2011 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #804603HaLeiViParticipant
Charlie, you seem to be saying that you do agree that it is the case, although you can’t understand why it should be that way.
Besides for people following celebrities, there is another issue. When people see something acted out in 3D they get convinced very fast. Alot of ideas got universaly accepted that way. They show you things on the screen and then you feel like a first hand witness. In general it is not that hard to get people excited over something. Had it been that hard, we wouldn’t have had all those pogroms, crusades and organized killings.August 31, 2011 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #804604am yisrael chaiParticipant
“It (Hollywood) doesn’t have that kind of power.
“I can’t understand why people would care what some model or actress has to say about a particular issue of substance unless that person actually has some experience in the matter.”
I’m not sure how to reconcile the two statements.
We may not understand it, but it’s a fact that many people do care what actors say, that fame itself does grant some power.
There have been documented violent incidents where the perpetrators claimed that they were mimicking movie scenes.
Some scenes are incorporated to mimic real life and vice versa.August 31, 2011 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #804605
The root of the problem is that there is a false god that is being worshiped that some call the philosophy of art for art’s sake, and in the name of their work or art this god permits them all kinds of behaviors that amount to lives lived in arrogant self absorption that is dressed up as deep and meaningful. This takes a great toll on the society that admires these people and encourages youth to join them and is quite sad, especially Jewish youth that are talented and soulful and imagine they are joining some great, lofty community. Some of you may think I’m being ridiculous about that what with the true shallowness of these people constantly exposed in all the tabloid magazines, but the irony is they don’t seem to make the connection at all. Ask an average parent of college age kids how they would feel if their son or daughter wanted to study the arts with a goal to being an artist, actor, filmmaker,etc. see if they are concerned(other than about economic issues)?September 1, 2011 4:26 am at 4:26 am #804607RamatShiloParticipant
savage is verry good and i enjoy him…but he is an actor too!September 1, 2011 6:00 am at 6:00 am #804608HaLeiViParticipant
You constantly see people making fake gestures, that they saw in some movie or another. When you hear a good line from someone, odds are he got it from a movie. People even bring proof from movies to certain phenomena even when the movie is a regular fiction movie.September 1, 2011 10:17 am at 10:17 am #804609
To ramat: what do you mean he is an actor?????September 1, 2011 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #804610
I think Ramat means he is an entertainer rather than an actor (who hides his true self and presents a picture of a character to the public). Savage, though he changed his name, talks about himself quite frequently. But this thread is supposed to be about the effect of Hollywood on society. Many have commented on people superficially copying the mannerisms and lines of actors, but don’t we really learn more from the actions and attitudes as evidenced by the lifechoices of others? This is where the celebrity culture is so destructive. People who are looked up to with respect because of their wit or looks or strength have been exposed as lowlives in the extreme; druggies, torturers of animals and children, misogynists and yet they don’t lose out they go right back in many cases to their status and continue film-making or quarterbacking or acting/singing or whatever, this is kind of frightening don’t you agree?September 1, 2011 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #804611
To littleapple: thanksSeptember 1, 2011 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #804613ktoret11Member
savage is alwase on the money!September 1, 2011 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #804614rtParticipant
Ktoret11- savage spends a lot of time bashing/being mevazeh Torah observanceSeptember 1, 2011 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #804615WIYMember
Of course he does. What do you expect from an irreligious intelligent Jew? His conscience must eat him up inside. Its a defense mechanism.September 1, 2011 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #804616chanieMember
The few times I’ve listed to him I have found him to be full of himself, claiming to have an IQ of 170. His father was a Russian atheist, and he himself seems to be sorry he wasn’t born a christian. He is petty and every 20 or so years seems to reinvent himself. Mark Levin, whose intellect is vastly superior to Savage always refers to him as “The plant doctor”, being that he is always is referring to his PhD in Nutritional Ethnomedicine.September 1, 2011 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #804617
To littleapple: thanks
To the patriot: you’re welcome i actually like that topic but i think you should change the title of the thread as you can see.
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