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Axiom: when all gedolim of one generation gather on one street of Yerushalaim and daven together, Moschiach will come [anybody knows the gemora page? It might be in Sanhedrin.
Do not know what you are talking about. Maybe you think there is some Tzaddik Nistar hiding in a cave somewhere who agrees with your Hashkafa? So you don’t have to listen to 99% of the Gedolei Hador? Don’t think so. If Hashem doesn’t wan’t the Geulah yet who can force His hand?
AAQ – Another possible explanation – they gathered, but did not daven together. I am told that they decided to have tehilim instead of speeches, because there was no one agreed speech, as groups vary widely in the political terms.
I was there. The Achdus was amazing. There was a rotation of Sephardi Litvish and Chassidish chazzanim saying Sephardi and Ashkenazi Selichos and Tehillim. There was an agreed upon speech or declaration of sorts at the end, but the main focus was in fact on Tefillah.
AAQ changes the subject of the argument
original statement was re comparing enemy civilians’ life vs own soldiers life
so AAQ changes that to own soldiers life vs other political or personal objectives
like getting to berlin before the US or a competing soviet general ….
this is happening too often …
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.yankel> Its not a cute proof at all …
> its a gross distortion and no proof whatsoever …yankel, I am disappointed that you repeatedly non-respond to me. “this is not a proof” is NOT an acceptable response to a logical supposition. If you disagree, gezunte heig, let us know what your logic is. Simple name-calling might work when you talk to your close friends, but it is not bringing any clarity to an online argument with people you do not know. Try harder.
YYA> wise. When all three Moetzes, plus the Eidah, plus Rav Thau and a few RZ for good measure, all agree on THE CORE ISSUE, even if they disagree on political details etc., so you have a VERY SOLID CONSENSUS of Torah leaders. Don’t tell me stories about deceased Gedolei Yisroel from decades ago. Tell me why you feel entitled to disagree with ALL the above Gedolei Yisroel.
You are provoking me to list RZ and MO rabbis who disagree. I don’t want to go and start studying these machlokets in depth and get into shouting match. I just quoted in another thread – I asked a couple of serious rabbonim in person and they both sounded very conflicted. Could you make a similar effort and ask in private some of the non-extreme rabbis that I think you have access to, and elicit their balanced opinion that you can then quote without attribution.
YYA> Did the Czar draft girls?
It is probably my fault to go that far off-topic. you can look at Chofetz Chaim’s Mehane Yisroel, here are some quotes to illustrate how he
related to Jewish soldiers. Hope we have rabbis now who speak this way to soliders, and soldiers who read this …true it is difficult for a person in service to observe torah. However, unless he has a feeble character,
he will overcome his passions and conquer his evil inclinations, A real, earnest endeavor in this direction
would make his deeds so more precious and his thoughts more sanctified. The period of his service in the army
can be made by him the most outstanding one in his whole life, and the most valuable in his
spiritual achievements. …wholesome family life is the basic element of Jewish national structure. ,.. vicious environment may cause man to go astray…
associating with evil company may make him feel he is not alone when he engages in illicit activity
engagement with other things, especially study or prayer, frequently will help man to regain and maintain his morals.faithful person does not break down under duress, soldier relying on Hashem will combat enemy .. to be mighty of heart and of soul
is to live a great life. Soldier exposed to danger .. should pay attention to his behavior .. and fulfil mitzvos better as in danger, his
deeds are examined in heaven …when one’s life is at stake, it is permitted to break mitzvos, but transgressions should be minimized
from Gemora: in a Jewish army, only those who viewed themselves innocent could join. Transgressions may be – speaking between yishtabach and yotzer ohr… including forbidden speech .. soldier in the time of war should reconcile with other people, seek forgiveness from people he offended,
develop chesed middos towards other people, every kindness he does towards his fellow soldiers … then, he describes all famous Jewish warriors and prayers a soldier should say before going to battle.UJM said:
“The Zionist army deserves no hakoros hatov whatsoever.”
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MY RESPONSE:Rabbi Lazer Brody taught:
“…HaShem should protect the soldiers and the police…
we have to express our thanks to every Israeli soldier and police-man…”SOURCE: lecture titled: “The Protective Force” by Rabbi Lazer Brody, 2015/10/25
NOTE:
Rabbi Lazer Brody has been a Breslov Chareidi Rabbi for many years.
He became a Baal Teshuvah when he was serving
in the Israeli Army, in an elite combat unit.
He is [or was] a Rosh HaYeshivah in Eretz Yisrael.
His sons – all of whom are Chareidi – served or serve in the Israeli Army.__________________________________________
PS: UJM has made more false statements,
but right now, I do not have the time or the patience to correct more
of his stupid, wicked, ignorant, hateful, fanatical, intentional mistakes.Especially considering that he has been corrected many times,
and he wickedly refuses to listen.Instead, he insists on provoking machlokes, at every possible
opportunity, by making needless inflammatory attacks against Jews.After 120 years, he will be sentenced to eternity in Gehinom,
as a rodaif and a mosair and a constant Baal Machlokes.Amazingly, he seems to *** NEVER *** criticize Arabs or Muslims,
even after all the murders they committed!!!
Like the true bully and coward and Baal Machlokes that he is,
100% of his criticisms and trolling are aimed at Jews.AAQ – Please try to understand the difference between “Rabbis” and “Gedolei Yisroel”, or between what the Chofetz Chaim was dealing with then, and what we are dealing with now. The Rabbonim, Admorim, and Roshei Yeshivos who led the Atzeres were davka far from being extremists. If you have some MO/RZ Rabbi who you think knows better, so zeit gezunt. This is just becoming a waste of time.
@AAQ
aaq, I am disappointed that you repeatedly non-respond to me. ignoring the issue raised is NOT an acceptable response to a clear fact . If you have an answer , gezunte heit, let us know what your answer is. Simple ignoring or change of subject might work when you talk to your close friends, but it is not bringing any clarity to an online argument with people you do not know. Try harder.
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