July 26, 2022 11:48 am at 11:48 am #2108538
As we learn, almost all cases of monkeypox is being transmitted during immoral activity by pervs. Hashem is once again registering His anger at this population.July 26, 2022 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #2109108
I am not convinced that ascribing motives to Hashem’s actions is a healthy activity. There is no question that Hashem wants us to act in a certain way and not act in a certain way and we also believe with complete emunah that Hashem rewards and punishes – but how can one be so pretentious as to draw a straight line from A to B and say Hashem did A because of B?
And when Hashem zeros in and punishes very specific babies r”l with Tay-Sachs who is he angry at?
Oy Lanu Miyom HaDin – when we see Magefa in the city we ALL need to examine our ways and look to improve ourselves first.July 26, 2022 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm #2109112akupermaParticipant
The new acne. Not even life threatening. While not sexually transmitted, it will be hard to catch it since it is spread by coughing. However it may be a good economic opportunity for those in the medical sciences business, since people are getting bored with Covid19 so that’s not much money to be made from a new coronavirus.July 26, 2022 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #2109133
Besalel: The Tosfos Yom Tov attributed the terrible travails of Tach V’Tat to talking in Shul. Others have attributed various tragedies, including the Holocaust, to other specific reasons.
That said, your last paragraph is absolutely true but it doesn’t negate my former point.July 26, 2022 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #2109142lakewhutParticipant
How do you learn that it’s from immoral activity?July 26, 2022 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #2109149
lakewhut: The CDC recently, grudgingly, openly admitted as much, after covering it up for weeks.July 26, 2022 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #2109152☕️coffee addictParticipant
Do you know how people contract monkeypox?July 26, 2022 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #2109153jackkParticipant
Comparing a deadly disease to chicken pox is a gigantic stretch.July 26, 2022 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #2109184kingdavidParticipant
Typically, human monkeypox spreads through very close, intimate contact, and it also can be spread through droplets.July 26, 2022 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #2109187ayingleParticipant
Monkeypox, even according to the Liberal websites that show up when you google it, is spread through:
“direct contact with infectious sores, scabs, or body fluids, including during —, as well as activities like kissing, hugging, massaging, and cuddling”
Not unless you are specifically looking, will one find that the true spread is happening mostly between mishkav Zacharniks as i quoted before, university of minnisota quotes a study published in the Lancet, that an overwhelming 91.7% of 181 men that had it admitted to being Mishkav Zacharniks.
it’s exactly like this past weeks Toras Avigdor, Parshas Maatos. It’s AIDS second edition.
it’s mamash a neis nigleh Hashem made to show us that bad people get “rewarded”
the fact it’s only hitting Mushachasim is, Ha Gufa, the reason no media wants to mention it. it would be bad PR for their skewed-Tayva led campaign against humanity.
if only they spread it between themselves at rallies and gay parades like you said… it would be even more obvious.
Yesh Din V’DayanJuly 26, 2022 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #2109188ayingleParticipant
this AP article quoted by YWN had the funniest picture: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2106128/us-regulators-clear-way-for-more-monkeypox-vaccine-shipments.html
“People stand in long lines to receive the monkeypox vaccine at San Francisco General Hospital in San Francisco, Tuesday, July 12, 2022. (Jessica Christian/San Francisco Chronicle via AP)”
big % of San Fran county are LGBTQ++*, and it stands to reason, they therefore have more to worry aboutJuly 26, 2022 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #2109225
ujm: i think you’re making my point. Of course there is some absolute emes in what the tosfos YT says – we believe that because who TYT were – but how are we supposed to digest this truth? Talking in shul is bad. Kibalti. Talking in shul formed a straight line to children being slaughtered in cold blood in front of the parents? What?
Mishkav Zachor appears a whole lot worse in Hashem’s eyes than talking in shul but monkeypox does not compare in any way at all with the horrors of Tach VeTat.
So is there any real, constructive, point in this exercise?
If the point here is to recognize that there is a boreh olam and he is mashgiach and he rewards and punishes, i understand the point – but any attempt to oversimplify Hashem’s cause and effect seems like a waste of my time.July 26, 2022 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2109236yungermanSParticipant
Every punishment and sickness in the world comes directly from doing a specific sin. Here are some of the punishments we get in this world & what the מדה כנגד מדה is. We think if we laughed at a wedding in front of 40 people someone is going to laugh at us in front of 40 people. NO NO NO that not the מדה כנגד מדה of laughing at someone, tell me which sickness is similar to laughing at someone? Think! Coughing! You get a cough until you realize what you did, do you know what stuttering comes from? Talking too much, don’t you see that as it is you are having a hard time talking just be quiet etc… A lisp comes from talking לשון הרע. As it gets shorter & shorter. Hashem is begging the person to stop & saying don’t make me turn you into a mute stop now, don’t you get the hint from seeing your tongue getting shorter & shorter?.
May we all wake up and do Teshuva very soon so Hashem our beloved father doesn’t need to keep sending us punishments of all kinds of sicknessesJuly 26, 2022 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #2109241provaxxParticipant
Monkeypox comes from people acting like monkeysJuly 26, 2022 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #2109244
yungermanS, maybe you should go into fortune telling!
Please tell me, what divine punishment is in store for me?
Maybe you can tell me which specific aveira I did to get my finger chopped off when I was a little boy?
[Don’t be afraid to plead the fifth. It’s called שתוק כך עלה במחשבה לפני” (מנחות כט, ב)”]July 27, 2022 1:53 am at 1:53 am #2109282Ray KaufmanParticipant
Jackk, Monkeypox is, in fact, about as serious as chickenpox plus, if you’ve had a smallpox vaccination as a child, you’re almos certainly immune.July 27, 2022 9:26 am at 9:26 am #2109328akupermaParticipant
Hard to catch since it is NOT spread by coughing or breathing, and not fatal. People “like” scary stories, but this is one that is easy to ignore.July 27, 2022 9:31 am at 9:31 am #2109353jackkParticipant
That was my point .
To compare AIDS which killed people to monkeypox is a terrible analogy because of what you wrote.
Also, by AIDS , we have a mesorah from R Miller zatsal to be toleh it as onesh min shomayim for this behavior. At least on the level of Frum Yidden seeing Mishpat Hashem in this world.
Ujm is looking to see Hashem’s Mishpat similarly for these people in 2022 with monkeypox. Zal zein azoy.July 27, 2022 10:15 am at 10:15 am #2109363
Jack, hopefully, like COVID-19 and it’s everchanging variants often more severe than the previous, monkeypox will have newer variants with ever greater onshim for these deviants.July 27, 2022 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #2109425
Hopefully, just as it was by the first golus that just when they were holding the lowest level of tumaah (שער המ”ט) Hashem took them out of מצרים, so may it be with our final golus:
Society has sunken to such lows, let’s daven that these people do teshuvah and stop this abomination, and we will also do teshuva for all of the aveiros that we do, and we will immediately be zoche to the גאולה נצחית שאין אחרי’ גלות when all pain, suffering and illness will be removed from the world, and we will joyfully serve Hashem properly. Amen!
[Why daven for punishment when you can daven for teshuva!?!?]
מ”ט שערי טומאה: ז”ח ר”פ יתרו
סוף ישראל לעשות תשובה בסוף גלותן ומיד הן נגאלין: הלכות תשובה פ”ז ה”ה
גאולה נצחית שאין אחרי’ גלות: תוד”ה ה”ג ונאמר – פסחים קטז, ב
יתמו חטאים ולא חוטאים: ברכות י, א)
מנחם שמוJuly 27, 2022 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #2109464
Menachem: These are mostly nochrim.July 27, 2022 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #2109359
Mesora from rabbi Miller. That’s rich. Rabbi Miller was a very nice pulpit, young Israel rabbi.July 27, 2022 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #2109572
HaGaon HaRav Avigdor Miller ztvk’l was one of our generations Gedolei HaDor.July 27, 2022 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #2109578
Besalel: HaGaon HaRav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv ztvk’l was, also, a very nice pulpit rabbi of a small trailer Shul.July 27, 2022 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #2109582
“These are mostly nochrim” – and therefore you should pray for their destruction instead of their teshuva?
Maybe you’re a bad faster, but next Yom Kippur, try to follow along in Maftir Yonah.
besalel, indeed there are gedolim who disagree with Rabbi Miller’s approach, but that’s no excuse for bashing such a gadol.
מנחם שמוJuly 28, 2022 12:37 am at 12:37 am #2109616Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
R Avigdor Miller seemingly got this treatment by mistake – by people trying (unsuccessfully) to emulate his approach… His posthumous blatt for kids brings this week a kid who was given a tochacha by a Rebbe, and then he gives a “similar” tochacha to other kids. To his surprise, the Rebbe tells him to stop because he is doing it in anger… so, be careful when emulating a style.
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