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September 7, 2025 10:54 am at 10:54 am #2446231Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Well, if you did not get it from Bnei Reuven, maybe you can get it from the parsha that LITERALLY SAYS:
כִּֽי־תֵצֵ֥א לַמִּלְחָמָ֖הCan you imagine Moshe Rabbeinu giving this drosha in our “yeshivos”, would he be allowed to?
the Prasha also gives you practical suggestions of how to deal with enticing ladies that you can encounter in the army. Go listen nd pay attention this year.
September 7, 2025 10:54 am at 10:54 am #2446452yankel berelParticipantAAQ
the reason I employ the term ‘legally considered kidnappers’ is merely a reaction
a reaction to the tsunami of moralizing and smearing adjectives thrown in the direction of innocents
adjectives like ‘lawbreakers’ or ‘criminals’ or ‘dodgers’, which are misplaced.
full time learners , and haredim more generally, are a minority treated with disdain and derision
in a sea of powerful well-oiled secularism
not only haredim are treated with said disdain and derision –
settlers of the dati le’umi variety have the doubtful privilege to receive the same type of treatment in Israel ,
they are also a despised minority there , although the latest turn of the political wheels
made them temporarily forget their ‘special status’
the wheels in Israel turn very fast …
.September 8, 2025 10:53 am at 10:53 am #2446725none2.0ParticipantProb treated with disdain cuz it’s a little delusional to tell people to “learn” as if it’s the holiest thing on earth and then leave the woman to carry the burden of working and having kids. Their hated cuz it’s “delusional” according to people who are looking from the outside. It is delusional when two people marry each other because he’s learning lol. Like did compatability come into play or just that his mom is paying their bills and going into debt. What happened to “honor your parents” “do not steal” from the government. I get there’s a spiritual component and yeshivish people tend to be kinder then the general population
But they aren’t any less delusional and that’s maybe why people scorn such people cuz from the outside, guys, no offense it doesn’t fallow logicSeptember 8, 2025 10:53 am at 10:53 am #2446734Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantyankel > legality of the kidnappers who enforce the illegal draft
you yourself are explaining in another thread that people use terms in non-binding way. You are doing the same here. If doing something were illegal, then police would arrest people doing that. Here they are “illegal” because if your sevorah. Take your sevorah to the Knesset and make them act on it.
September 8, 2025 10:53 am at 10:53 am #2446736Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantyankel > is merely a reaction
thank you for looking into that and finding the reason. So, you start using vile language because some hilonim do the same. I don’t think there is a reshus for doing that. Chofetz Chaim writes about dangers of “cultural schools” of his time but he is not using vile language when describing their danger to the kids. but maybe you can look up his seforim and suggest the appropriate language.
> not only haredim are treated with said disdain and derision –
I understand what you are saying about anti-religious crowd … I heard here in NYC from people who witnessed those who brought food and tried to give it to people who went to shul on Yom Kippur … But there are nowadays, B’H, so many observant and stam traditional people who are not against religion per se. If you have disagreements with them, you should pay more attention to their positions and try to either change or explain yourself. I don’t see how you can riled up about such people if they are not happy with your community working less or not going to the army. You can disagree with them, but their positions is also legit. And you probably learned enough gemorahs and rambams that talk how a talmid chacham should behave so that others respect them.
September 8, 2025 10:53 am at 10:53 am #2446750SQUARE_ROOTParticipantRabbi Elchonon Wasserman died in year 1941 of the Common Era.
He never saw the modern State of Israel, which started in 1948 CE.
September 8, 2025 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #2447314yankel berelParticipant@AAQ
Got news for you .
Majority of Knesset is of the same opinion as me .
They acted already .
They passed laws curtailing the SC’s illegal activities .
Which were illegally overturned by that very same SC.
Those illegal rulings by the SC were illegally enforced by thugs, paid by leftists , who virtually stopped everything.
And threatened to destroy the whole country if SC’s power is diminished in any way.
They were aided and abetted by the MSM and the corrupt judicial system .
So without any recourse , the Knesset was rendered practically powerless …..
Unbelievable – right ?
I couldn’t make it up …
These are the plain facts….
Follow the Israeli news , and its all there …..
.September 9, 2025 11:01 am at 11:01 am #2447351Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantyankel, you just need to get to the acceptance stage on how modern democracies work. They are based on complicated rules sometimes hastily written and open by interpretation by indirectly elected officials. If you work within the system, it allows for some sort of reasonable conflict resolution. It does not have to be perfect. It is just a way to prevent dictatorship and bloodshed.
Think, for exanple, a simple presidential election like in US. If one candidate gets 272 electoral votes and another 269 – does it really mean that one of them is better fit to govern than another one? No. I would say anyone who can get 40% of votes is reasonably qualified. It is just a reasonable way to select one candidate that gets to govern.
Same thing in Israeli system where the rules might be not that clear – after all, they are a mixture of Turkish, British, Jewish laws written in a haste with some groups staying away because it was not kosher enough for them. So, in this system, there are ways to make laws and override different decisions. If right now they are not working in your favor, look how to change what you don’t like. Calling something illegal leads to then call others kidnappers and then leading to calls for violence. It is destructive.
September 9, 2025 11:01 am at 11:01 am #2447374yankel berelParticipantMy imperfect understanding that politically the law was damaged by lack of results – while it proposed a path for charedim to integrate, that did not happen. That was a chance for some compromise, but I guess both sides decided to risk and press their advantage.
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—Yes, I do agree that yours is an imperfect understanding , sorry about that.
The ONLY reason Tal law is not officially in force now – is the SC .
Nothing else.
They used non-existing authority to cancel it.
So it legally follows – that if cancellation is illegal – the law is legally still in force.
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Simple.
.September 9, 2025 11:01 am at 11:01 am #2447375yankel berelParticipant@AAQ
saying something is illegal when it is illegal is not “vile” at at all
it is merely stating a legal fact
Hafets Hayim would never object to that
.September 9, 2025 11:01 am at 11:01 am #2447376yankel berelParticipant@aaq
Never said their position was not a legitimate position as a private opinion within the Israeli State.
According to Israeli law they can advocate for this position , run for election , and attempt that their position should garner a majority and then pass it into law.
Totally within their rights acc to Israeli Law .
But to falsely label full time torah students as criminals , dodgers or fugitives etc , when SC’s cancellation of the Tal Law was done in an unauthorized and therefore illegal way , is beyond acceptable .
The people acting as enforcers of this illegal decision, are legally nothing more than kidnappers .
This is a plain legal issue , not a call to violence at all.
The SC cancelling Knesset’s law regulating the SC’s own authority is nothing more than one big farce. Even a ten year old sees through it.
This not “vile” ,
this is accurate.
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