September 13, 2011 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #599353
I, as an orthodox jew, have deep beleif in Hashem, His master plan, His Hashgocho, His infinite greatness, etc.
I beleive the torah is Emes, relative to todays time as it has been for 1000’s of years, etc.
But when it comes to the topic of Moshiach….I don’t know, I honestly can’t say that I anticipate and “Chalishing” for his arrival. I am a bit embarrassed to admit this, and I know that it is wrong, and that it is 1 of the 13 principles of fundemental yiddishkeit. I know he HAS to come! It makes SENSE that golus is only temperary, and Moshiach will ultimately redeem us. I know that, and honestly beleive that. But on a practical level, I don’t think of moshiach EVERY single day. I don’t look out the window to see if that noise outside that distracted me or whatever is really maybe the sounds of the Final Redemption.
Just bothers me. Am I in good company, or totally alone on this?
Do you think of moshiach every day?
Do you anticipate his arrival EVERY day?September 13, 2011 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #991992gefenParticipant
With all that’s been going on in the world lately, and all the talk about us being in the footsteps of Moshiach, it’s hard not to think about it. But can I honestly say it’s on my mind constantly? – no. Am i sitting here in anticipation and trepidation? not really. I know it sounds terrible. But I guess I’m not on such a high madrayga. I think it’s also because we don’t really know what to expect and also the idea of a war of Gog U’magog sounds so scary – who wants to really think about it? I guess I go back and forth on this topic. It would certainly be wonderful to live in a world of peace with Moshiach as our leader and of course we’d all be in Eretz Yisroel. It’s just… we don’t know what we will have to go through before that. So i guess as humans we just go about our regular daily routine.
Since it’s Elul now – let’s all try to improve ourselves as much as possible and daven very hard that the coming of Moshiach will not first bring about disaster. May we all merit the coming of Moshiach very very soon.September 13, 2011 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #991993
You’re so right about us not really knowing about what will happen. On one hand I’m nervous; am I really ready? And on the other hand it will literally be a time of absolute bliss. It is quite opposite extemeties. Frightning war, and world peace. I guess we have to focus on the positive, and daven that the negative never happen! All that, and also to have Hashem primarily in mind that the Shechina is in Golus as well.September 13, 2011 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #991994elikParticipant
I would say 90 percent OF FRUM PPL are in the same boat as you
my feelings on this is that in order for mashaich come we all have to daven and want him
so hashem will make crazy things happen that we realize its the only way out
WATCH OUTSeptember 13, 2011 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #991995mik5Participant
I believe with perfect faith in the coming of Moshiach ben Dovid, and even though He may tarry, I still believe and I still await his coming each and every day.
Something tells me that with the declaration of Palestinian statehood set for Sept. 20 and Iran, Egypt, Syria, etc. all hating Israel … something tells me that we will be celebrating Rosh Hashanah in Yerushalayim. The Talmud states that the Redemption will take place in Tishrei. Tishrei is coming, Yidden, Tishrei is coming!September 13, 2011 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #991996bptParticipant
Each and every day. In fact, I wore a clean shirt, so I look like a mentch when the big moment is announced.
That, and I tried as best I could to rack up mitzvos and avoid averos. If the arrival is today, I want my scorecard to be a winner!September 13, 2011 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #991997
bpt- that’s fantastic! 10 pts to you!! It gives me more chizuk when I hear others are anxiously waiting.
And that’s what I want to hear. We always hear stories that moshiach did’t come because yidden weren’t waiting ANXIOUSLY enough! We have to be mechazek each other, to sincerely and anxiously await for an end to this golus!
mik5- youre absolutely correct, things are afoot in the middle east that can give me the creeps! The arab nations are so unsettled it seems that the only common thread now is hating jews/Israel, R”L!!September 13, 2011 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #991998Feif UnParticipant
The Chofetz Chaim was known to study the halachos of doing the avodah so that when Mashiach comes, he’d be ready to serve in the Beis Hamikdash! How many kohanim and/or bechorim are doing that today?September 13, 2011 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #991999TheGoqParticipant
“I wore a clean shirt”
Yes Bpt but was it white or colored?September 13, 2011 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #992001BaruchHashem111Participant
I personally, am terrified! I’ve heard a lot and learned a lot about the coming of Moshiach, and the tzoros and suffering we may encounter before and it leaves me feeling very afraid.
We definitely live in a crazy world that cant sustain itself the way things are going. Clearly Moshiach’s arrival is imminent. I hope I am ready and zoche to live through it with minimal tzaar.September 13, 2011 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #992002mik5Participant
WE WANT, WE NEED, MOSHIACH NOW!September 14, 2011 3:33 am at 3:33 am #992003
Wanna know another scary concept/thought?
In Seforim it’s brought down that Yitziyas Mitzrayim was the paradigm for the ultimate Yeshua. It serves as an example for what we are to expect for the Final Geula. Forexample: as awesome and extraordinary as the Yitziya was at that time, when Moshiach comes we will be just as awed by the grand spectacular display of miracles when Moshiach comes.
but the scart side is just as only 1/5 jews left mitzrayim, when moshiach comes only 1 OUT OF 5 JEWS WILL BE REDEEMED!
That freaks me out- am I a part of that select group?? I hope I am!!!September 14, 2011 8:29 am at 8:29 am #992004🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I dont know if I am waiting for Moshiach for the right reasons or not but I just lost my second and remaining sister (see “Please Daven” thread) and both my parents have died in the last six years. I know there are plenty of people worse off than me but I would give anything for Moshiach to come to see and hold them again. I cant believe anything material could stop me from running after him. And my kids cry for Moshiach so that they can see their aunt. Like I said, perhaps we are all wrong in our motivation, but I hope that Misoch Lo Lishma, Ba Lishma.September 14, 2011 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #992005old manParticipant
Hashkafically, I find it unacceptable to believe that only the top 20% of Jews will be redeemed. This is not an application for a seminary. There cannot possibly be a quota.September 14, 2011 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #992006
The idea that only the “select” top of Judaism will see the Geulah was the idea of the Essenes and other splinter, non-Masoratic groups during the late Bayis Sheini and right afterwards. It was also the opinion of the Puritans. It is not a Jewish idea in any way, shape, or form.September 14, 2011 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #992007
mik5 -“The Talmud states that the Redemption will take place in Tishrei.”
Some say Nissan, as opposed to Tishrei! Acacheh Lo Bechol Yom Sheyovo. He can come on any day.September 14, 2011 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #992009
Health: Except Fridays and Erev Yomim Tovim.September 14, 2011 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #992010gefenParticipant
Syag – I don’t think you have the wrong reasons at all. A lot of us want to see our relatives who are no longer with us. I’m sure you also have other reasons for wanting him to come – like living in Eretz Yisroel in peace. But as I said, we probably all have our own personal reasons as well. It’s only human.
You’ve had a lot happen to you in the past few years. I had met your mother a number of times and she was a very special person. I also met your sister a couple of times – also a very special person – as are you and your whole family. May you only know simchas from now on.September 15, 2011 3:54 am at 3:54 am #992011mddMember
Sam2, THE POSUK SAYS:” U’mi eikalkel yom bo’o, u’mi ha’omed be’heraoso” (And who will (be able to) bear the day of his coming, and who will stand when he is revealed). I think it is in Malachi.
The Zohar says there is going to be a makka to kill all those who do not want him to come.
Wake up.September 15, 2011 4:00 am at 4:00 am #992012mddMember
And Yeshaya says that his(Moshiach’s) arrival will be accompanied by “shever poshim”.September 15, 2011 4:34 am at 4:34 am #992014
Mdd: There is a huge difference between saying that those who don’t deserve it won’t be Zoche and saying that only a certain percentage and top of the population will be redeemed.September 15, 2011 6:10 am at 6:10 am #992015
Sam2 -“It is not a Jewish idea in any way, shape, or form.”
I don’t know about the future Geula, but going out of Mitzrayim -Rashi in B’shalach brings down the Medrash that only one-fifth went out! So this idea is definitely a Jewish one!September 15, 2011 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #992016bombmaniacParticipant
well its hard to truly identify with something you cant quantify. same reason why so many people have problems with emuna. its hard to imagine the anticipation and desire one should feel for moshiach and the bayis shlishi…heres how i do it. i find things in the world that act as a mashal to what i should feel and try to apply it to moshiach and bayis shlishi. for example (and im not kidding) presidential elections. especially obama’s and the upcoming elections in 2012. people are in the dumps now, when the recession struck in 2008 people looked to obama to be their salvation. now people are looking to the conservatives to produce a “messiah” (so to speak) take an example from that and apply it to how you should feel about moshiach. obviously that doesnt fill the need for the “i believe he is coming next minute” but its a start.
or…for bayis shlishi…the world trade center. 10 years ago the towers fell and the WTC was destroyed, and i can tell you that i felt anticipation and pride and a desire to see it rebuilt. when i realized how i felt about WTC i applied it to how i should feel about moshiach and bayis shlishi. it works. it gives me a perspective of what it means to have something great destroyed and then rebuilt. stuff like that happens all teh time. ive had some who disagreed with this method, but it works for me so hey…there you go.September 15, 2011 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #992017
Health: Once again, there is a difference between having people who are deserving and having only a select few make it. The point about Yetzias Mitzrayim is that 80% didn’t believe. If you don’t believe, that’s probably a deal-breaker in being Zoche to the Geulah. That doesn’t mean that Judaism believes in any of this “select elite”, that only those who are even more deserving than the rest will be redeemed.September 15, 2011 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #992018
Sam2 -Well your posts are semantics because I’d say most don’t believe. There are more Frei than Frum Jews. And amongst the Frum, how many actually believe they will moving out of this country and it could even tomorrow? R. Nosson Wactfogel Zt’l- they say used to have a suitcase packed, just in case he came and he had to leave right away. The Chofetz Chaim -they say had a bare amount of furniture because he was only a traveller here. He was travelling to EY with Moshiach and then to Olam Haba. They say there is nothing wrong with healthy doubt, but I think a lot of us have more than that!September 15, 2011 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #992019yichusdikParticipant
I was told that the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt’l used to ask a question of those who talked about their anticipation and preparedness for biyas hamoshiach. He asked – “If Ploni needed to borrow $1,000 from you and he would pay it back after one year, and you had it to lend, would you lend him the money?” The answer was invariably yes, of course. The Rebbe then asked, “And if Ploni needed to borrow $1000 from you and told you he would pay it back when Moshiach comes, would you lend him the money?” That was his benchmark for full emunah in biyas hamoshiach and anticipation bchol yom sheyavo.September 16, 2011 2:02 am at 2:02 am #992020chanieMember
The topic of ???? is a very complicated one as it unfortunately has yet not occurred. There were 2 trains of thought that was brought out which one was an understatement and the other one being that some people had difficulties in accepting the realties of it.
There is a lot more to write on the subject, and if want to know precisely what will happen before, during and after the coming of ????, as well as the rebuilding of the ??? ?????, the ??? ???? discusses it at length in his kuntres entitled ???? ?????.
May we all be ???? to make the ????? ?? ???? proud of us so we may be included in that 1/5th population.December 10, 2013 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #992021tzaddiqMember
just sitting here waiting for him….
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