April 6, 2020 11:31 am at 11:31 am #1847379
We know that the Jewish people had to be in Egyptian slavery under the rule of the pharaoh for 430 years. But the Almighty showed mercy to the Jews and reduced this period to 210 years. It turns out that the difference is 220 years!
It is known that our world must exist for 6000 years. This is the deadline for the coming of Moshiach and the onset of Liberation. If we take the same difference of 220 years from 6000 years , we get 5780 ! This is just our year according to Jewish chronology – and the last day of 5780 will come on September 18, 2020!
Additionally, “corona” is Gematria “Moshiach” and the midrash in shir hashirim says that there will be a big disease immediately before Moshiachs coming. I have also heard that there is a baal haturim that says that Moshiach will come when everyone is locked up in their houses. If anyone knows where this Baal Haturim is, please let me know. Anyway, it’s good to see that the world is waking up to the reality that Moshiach is coming, as we can see from what recent Gedolim have been announcing. Already a short time ago, we’ve seen people like harav Chaim Kanievsky speak quite unexpectedly about Moshiach’s imminent arrival, using terms and expressions mirroring those of the Rebbes from 25 years ago in the years 5751/5752
Anyway, may our hopes and wishes culminate in Moshiach’s revelation in actuality, speedily in our days, Amen.April 6, 2020 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #1847535
It all sounds very nice, but we were only supposed to be there for 400 years, so nice try, but no cigar.
The 430 years is the amount of time that the torah records us as being there, which is explained away by the meforshim that we were not actually enslaved for 430 years.
This has been circulating around the internet. And so many people have shared it. why can they just share something accurate, they are already putting the effort in….
Another interesting thought though-we know moshe was ערל שפתים.
Klal yisrael saw the mitzriim dead on the שפת הים. Then the geula.
We are currently in the year of תשפ.April 6, 2020 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1847590
The Baal Haturim says at the end of Chaya Sara that Yishmoel has to fall before Meshiach can come otherwise the Ramban says that the affliction of Hagar by Sarah was an error and therefore we will fall in Yishmoel’s hand if we don’t behave properly. The Sefer Amudeho Shiva said on the year 5760 (2000) that it was a time for Meshiach as a mikva is 40 sah and a soh is 144 eggs making it 5760 eggs. He said that the world will be meetuhar then. The Ramban in Breishis says that every day of creation is for a thousand years and Meshiach should have come when Adam Harishon was created. The Chasam Sofer says that it was suitable to come but we must be worthy.
They bring a mashel about the counting of days towards Meshiach which the gemora is against. A man took along a friend and his son to travel to the Leiptzig the great market. As they got into the wagon and started to travel, the son asked how much more time will it take? The father got angry and said, why are you asking me that when we just got into the wagon? After traveling an hour or two the friend asked also how much more? He told him another hour. The son got angry for screaming at him. He told his son when you asked it was not appropriate to ask as we just started to travel but my friend asked after we traveled more than half the distance. Currently we are close to the coming of Meshiach and therefore we are able to ask.April 6, 2020 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1847593yeshiva123Participant
“We know that the Jewish people had to be in Egyptian slavery under the rule of the pharaoh for 430 years”
No, we were supposed to be there 400 years.
430 is only mentioned after they left Egypt, and those 430 years start from Bris Bein Habisarim; and have nothing to do with Egyptian slavery.
However, that doesn’t make Mashiach’s arrival any less likely- hopefully today!April 6, 2020 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #1847595
See the Baal Haturim Parshas Bo Perek 12 Pasuk 9 who says the final geula will be like the first geula where no one should go out of their house.April 6, 2020 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #1847596
I wrote a lengthy response. It didn’t go through.
Answer is -400 years not 430. We were only supposed to be there max 400 years, there are reasons given as to why the torah records it as 430, but we weren’t ever supposed to be there for 430.
It’s really 400 minus 210, leaving קץ -190 years.
Yagata umatzasa taamin. Since you just more or less forwarded the same thing that everyone else is sending around, there is no yagata.April 6, 2020 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #1847598GoldilocksParticipant
I have not seen this bal haturim myself (my knowledge of Hebrew is pretty poor), but someone told me that it’s in Parshas Shemos, perek yud bais, passuk ches.April 6, 2020 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #1847618philosopherParticipant
Amen, I hope moshiach should arrive speedily.
Throughout history many Jews often calculated with gematrias and cheshbonos and in the end moshiach didn’t come. We believe every day that he can come without all these cheshbonos. If he comes, I’ll be overjoyed. And if he doesn’t come now, I wasn’t relying on cheshbonos anyway.April 6, 2020 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #1847640Someone in MonseyParticipant
At the Bris Bain HaBesarim, according to the pesukim, Hashem only said Avraham’s descendents would be strangers for 400 years (in golus, essentially), but not specfically where that would occur. It’s a strange occurrence that some think that means all 400 must be in Mitzrayim. Being a stranger implies one is not in authority or control; this was the condition of all the Avos, the Shvatim, etc., so the 400 figure can easily be understood to begin with Yitzchok’s birth, which was 400 years before the Yetzia. This is Rashi’s (based on Seder Olam) cheshbon and is the one that is simplest and most clear.April 6, 2020 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1847670
They say that is the meaning of ‘חישב את ה’קץ being 190 years 400 – 210 = 190April 6, 2020 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #1847749adar29Participant
When it comes to this subject I go by the motto those who talk don’t know and those who know don’t talk. Once I had a really nice Chidush about it. Since this who know don’t talk, I didn’t say a thing. Years Later I heard someone making a case for it so I figured he didn’t know, and neither did I. I was relieved. Prophecy has gone to the shoite and the infant. So finally my friend bears witness that I’m neither. Or so I hopeApril 6, 2020 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #1847747Yserbius123Participant
Of course he is! We should always believe that Moshiach will come not next year, but this one! I don’t know why you said Rav Kanievsky spoke “unexpectedly” about Moshiach. He <i>always</i> speaks about Moshiach he’s one of the world’s biggest maimonim. He truly and honestly believes that Moshiach is coming any moment and regularly brings it up when asked about what the future would bring. We should all strive to have an outlook like Rav Chaim and believe that Moshiach is coming right now.April 6, 2020 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #1847788
Okay, it looks like I didn’t do my research too well. I remember thinking, when I saw the post, that I’d remembered hearing 400, but I didn’t think too much of it. Perhaps, if we go by the way it is written in Torah without Meforshim it would work, but that would be a little sketchy. However, as many have already stated, That does not detract from the legitimacy of claiming and believing that Moshiach right now. Thanks for the sources for the Baal Haturim. I now have 2 sources – Shemos perek 12 posuk 8, and Bo perek 12 possuk 9. I’ll look them up and see what I get over there. It could be that both of them are true.
Yserbius, I didn’t realize that R’ Chaim would always talk like that about Moshiach. I heard, that he made recent dramatic statements about the Moshiach’s imminence. I heard that others have been discussing it as well.April 6, 2020 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1847849
the precept to believe in mashaich coming has nothing to do with thinking that he is coming today. that would be ridiculous. Imagine if that was the case, that we needed to believe that he was coming today, everyday.
That would mean that for the past 5780 years, everybody had a false belief, daily, in order to be a maimin?
no, that is not the derech, that is not the ikar of the Rambam. The ikkar of the rambam is to AWAIT him every day, and even though he did not yet come, to hope for him every day.
whatever you learned in elementary school, unlearn it.
Whatever you learned in a superficial, mochin dikatnusdika way, relearn in a mochin digadlusdiska way.April 7, 2020 1:03 am at 1:03 am #1847873
Hmmmmm…… did I ever say otherwise?April 7, 2020 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #1847963chugibugiParticipant
Even the great Reb Akiva did not know,and made a tragic mistake in thinking that Bar Kochva was moshiach,so please all you guys stop making fools out of yourselves and go back tom work or to learnApril 7, 2020 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #1847962Grey matterParticipant
Read the Baal haturim in bo well. I dont think he is suggesting that when mashiach comes we will be in our homes and prohibited to leave. He is connecting the four mentions of the word yocheluhu. In miluim the connection is less obvious so he explains the connection, that both by mitzratim and milium one cannot leave there home. he doesn’t suggest it will be the same by mashiach. One can suggest that but the Turim probably isn’t, read it carefully.April 7, 2020 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1848000
i didn’t look it up i just heard it from someone else.April 7, 2020 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #1848006
I said before that it is based on the pasuk מיכה פרק ז – כִּימֵ֥י צֵאתְךָ֖ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרָ֑יִם אַרְאֶ֖נּוּ נִפְלָאֽוֹתApril 7, 2020 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1848126ccb45Participant
We have a kabulah from our rebbes that those who know don’t say and those who say don’t know. It bring a weakness in emunah to the generation if c”v Moshiach doesn’t like the people here are saying.April 8, 2020 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1848206
ummmm….. Did i spend 20 mintes writing up that post for nothing?????April 8, 2020 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1848356
It is in the Baal Haturim on Shemos Perek 12- posssuk 8 by the son of the Rosh
He writes that before Moshiach we will not be able to leave our homes.April 8, 2020 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1848357
I confirmed from someone elseApril 8, 2020 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #1848358
A Kosher Un Freilichen PesachApril 8, 2020 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #1848359
I have to Daven befor Shkiah.April 8, 2020 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #1848360
Okay.April 8, 2020 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #1848361
spontaneousApril 11, 2020 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1848425rationalParticipant
“Anyway, it’s good to see that the world is waking up to the reality that Moshiach is coming, as we can see from what recent Gedolim have been announcing.”
“Additionally, “corona” is Gematria “Moshiach”
משיח : 358
קרונא: 357 wow, pretty close
קראנה: 356 wow! pretty close again! (yes, I know the rules of gematria, it’s ok to pick and choose and manipulate, and be off by 1. Or more, but who’s counting? Certainly not you.
DC, I’ll write to you, bli neder, in a few weeks or whenever you say. I will be writing that you once again have proven yourself to be a fool.
‘April 12, 2020 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1849034
358 – קארונא
358 – משיח
Now tell me who the fool is…..April 12, 2020 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1849036
“Even the great Reb Akiva did not know,and made a tragic mistake in thinking that Bar Kochva was moshiach,so please all you guys stop making fools out of yourselves and go back to work or to learn”
Either you could learn from that Yerushalmi that Rabbi Akiva made a mistake, or you could learn a proof from there there is no problem with identifying a specific person as Moshiach, or pointing out certain signs to the Redemption. Rabbis have been doing both of those things for the past 2,000 years.April 13, 2020 7:05 am at 7:05 am #1849117
DC, how are those two ways? The case of R Akiva definitely proves that it is appropriate to identify a living individual as Moshiach when it seems to be the case, even if it might still turn out otherwise. But the fact remains that Bar Kochva was <i>not</i> Moshiach. Therefore R Akiva’s identification of him as Moshiach was mistaken. Surely you don’t dispute that. You don’t still expect Bar Kochva to return and be Moshiach. Maybe his neshomo will be in whoever does finally come to redeem us, but the actual person who is Moshiach will be someone else.
What the Rambam is telling us is that even though R Akiva was mistaken, he did the right thing, and if the same circumstances were to arise again the next day he would have done it all over again, and not been afraid to make the same mistake twice. And that we should do the same, and not be afraid of being mistaken.April 13, 2020 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1849158
You can calculate a gematria by adding (if necessary) a kolel(1) or/and osiyos, the number of letters in the word.
Corona is keser, humilty according the Tomar Devora, the highest level of sefira. As a true joke, the crown does not fit on a swelled head.April 13, 2020 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1849392
Chugibugi wrote that Rabbi Akiva made a “tragic mistake”, so I made it clear that Rabbi Akiva was doing precisely what your supposed to do, just later when they caught Bar Kochva doing Aveiros, he was disqualified as Moshiach (the fact that he died does not disqualify him from being Moshiach see Abarbanel Yeshuos Meshicho) and Rabbi Akiva was retroactively mistake, however in the moment that he said it he was fully justified.
No, I don’t believe Bar Kochba to be Moshiach, and No, I don’t believe that his soul will vest itself in the real Moshiach. Of course, the main reason why is because, as a proud Lubavitcher, I elieve my Rebbe to be Moshiach as per the Rebbe’s explicit instructions (see Toras Menachem 5747 volume 1 p. 266).April 14, 2020 10:08 am at 10:08 am #1849512ubiquitinParticipant
“You can calculate a gematria by adding (if necessary) a kolel(1) or/and osiyos, the number of letters in the word.”
Or any number you want to try to get it to fit
Make up a reason why your adding it
+ 5 for chumshei torah
+ 37 for shem Hashem + stars in yosef’s dream
Just get it to fit whatever message your sellingApril 14, 2020 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1849600
ubi, nice to make fun, but what I said is true.
תורת משה שמות פרק לח
איתא ברבינו בחיי המשכן עם ה’ אותיות של המשכן בגמטריא ת”כ כמנין השנים שעמד בית שני
You can see we add the number of letters. We learn out the 30 days for the nazir from יהי-ה its gematria.April 16, 2020 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #1849621osetimoParticipant
“It bring a weakness in emunah to the generation if c”v Moshiach doesn’t like the people here are saying.”
Could someone explain this better to me?April 16, 2020 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #1849622yisroellazearParticipant
I’m Confused, Defend Chabad. In your Profile you refer to the Rebbe “shlit”a”, a term only used for the living. So the Mashiach is/was already here. So what are you saying, he who was here will return (OY! that’s very close to da’as notzrim c’v) or what? A clear statement from you to avoid deragetive remarks, or the usual jokes about ChaB”d is called forApril 17, 2020 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1849880
Yisroelazear, “shlita” can also be understood as a prayer for techiyas hameisim.April 17, 2020 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1849881
PS: Just because the Xians have an idea doesn’t automatically make it possul. Sometimes they hit on the truth, if only by accident.April 17, 2020 7:56 am at 7:56 am #1849928
It’s okay to be confused. Midrash in Bamidbar Rabba Naso 12:12 says that after Moshiach will be revealed, he will be hidden from the Yidden, and subsequently revealed, and then the whole world will accept him as Moshiach. This idea is also found in the Medrash on Shir hashirim. It can also be found in Rashi to Daniel 12:12.
Interestingly R’ Eliezer mentioned Rabeinu Bechaye and Toras Moshe. Both of these seforim at the end of Parshas Shemos, mention this Idea. In the Siddur of the Yaavetz , it says that Moshiach will be hidden 49 years.April 17, 2020 7:58 am at 7:58 am #1849929
Kisvei Ariza”l Shaar Hagilgulim writes that Moshiach wll be revealed howeverthe world won’t recognize him as Moshiach. Afterwards, his body and soul will go into the Amud Haanan and, after a while it will come back down to the world and everyone will accept him as Moshaich. There are vvarying opinions as to how long Moshiach will be hidden. Rashi says that the Possuk “Happy is the one who waits a hundred something years” refers to this time period. I mentioned a different opinion in my other post.April 17, 2020 8:04 am at 8:04 am #1849941rationalParticipant
I admit, my dear Chabadnik, that I didn’t take that particular spelling into account. I am sure Chazal spelled it your way, I just forgot the source. Please send it to us.
But I’ll give you a few weeks as I promised.
It must be wonderful to live in a cherry-picking fool’s paradise.
Also, please send me some more fool-proof gematrias. How about these?
ליברפול=358April 17, 2020 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm #1849955
it doesn’t look like moshiach came this year.April 17, 2020 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #1849962DovidBTParticipant
Doesn’t gematria, like gezeirah shavah, require a teacher-to-student path from Moshe Rabbeinu’s time to be meaningful?April 17, 2020 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1850011
Doesn’t gematria, like gezeirah shavah, require a teacher-to-student path from Moshe Rabbeinu’s time to be meaningful?
No! If it did there would be no gematrias at all, because there’s no reason to suppose the whole concept existed in Moshe Rabbenu’s day.April 17, 2020 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1850026
milhouse, do you read posts? Didn’t I say that halachas are learned from gematrios?April 17, 2020 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1850027
The days from one molad to another is 29 1/2 days and 793 chalokim where a chelek is 1/1080 of an hour.
החדש הזה לבם ראש חדשים ראשון היא לכם לחדשי השנה adds up to 2658 which is כמה תשעה ועשרים יום ומחצה ותשצג חלקים.
65+775+626+56+149+799+188= 2658April 17, 2020 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1850039
My source is from what other people were sending around, as many CR participants have noted. How did you manage to miss that?
In the words of a wise man (with a slight variation) “people who think mishegassen don’t see what they don’t want to see”
I don’t see why you decided to make such a big deal out of one stupid detail I mentioned half-jokingly. It was viral on many whatsapps and it was quite a famous thing. I will see if I can send you more Gematrias when I find out about them, as you requested earlier. By the way, what made me earn the title “Dear Chabadnik”?
And for your information Moshiach Ben David is Gematria “Donald Trump”. I forgot how the exact spelling goes but I’ll leave that up to you – you did a nice job last time, although you somehow managed to miss the right one. And it’s probably the most obvious spelling…..April 17, 2020 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1850046
This thread wasn’t supposed to be about Gemtrias! can we please stay focused everyone?April 17, 2020 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1850047
Above should be שמות פרק יב – הַחֹ֧דֶשׁ הַזֶּ֛ה לָכֶ֖ם רֹ֣אשׁ חֳדָשִׁ֑ים רִאשׁ֥וֹן הוּא֙ לָכֶ֔ם לְחָדְשֵׁ֖י הַשָּׁנָֽה
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