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    popa_bar_abba
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    So you know how you go to shul on sukkos, and everyone has a different way of keeping their aravos fresh?

    This guy has an apple, this guy has an aluminum foil with wet paper towel, this guy has a garlic, this guy puts it in the fridge, this guy puts his esrog in the cholent, this guy has a special plastic aravos keeper, etc.

    These methods are usually traditions, passed down in families, and they all work equally well. (ie. not at all.)

    So I think they are basically a segula.

    Well, my aravos look terrible. Much worse than usual. (They may have started off that way?) So I think my segula was no good.

    Does anyone have a better segula for me? Do you think if I spell out “arava” with tehillim 119, it will help? What if I make challah 40 times with some arava in it?

    Please help quick.

    #1101011
    bezalel
    Participant

    What was your segula?

    #1101012
    2scents
    Participant

    The best method of keeping the fresh, is to double wrap them with plastic. That’s what I did last year.

    This year I followed the MG”A and bought new ones.

    #1101013
    usa-tralian
    Participant

    Buy a new set??

    #1101014
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    The best segula is to give lots of money to the ehrliche yidden selling aravos on chol hamoed. That’s what I do.

    #1101015
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Hey, that’s great, Itche!)

    #1101016
    Toi
    Participant

    did you here about the lady in meah shearim that had a baby on her 90th birthday? she gave ten sheq to kupaqt hha’ir and meant to dial 3 for long life, but hit 4 instead for bonim zcharim!

    #1101017
    Bar Shattya
    Member

    toi

    Yeah i heard about that lady. i think thats how sarah had yitzchok.

    #1101018
    good.jew
    Member

    Toi, it is a good thing she did not give 20 sheq, or she would have had twins. And how would she have dealt with that?

    #1101019
    real-brisker
    Member

    Hey popa this is one of my pet peeves. People spend literally HUNDEREDS of dollars on a “beautiful” esrog, but that is it they know.

    Why when chol hamoed comes around and the aravos are black, speckled, dried out, crunching away… cant they afford the extra buck and buy fresh and healthy ones????? argh!!!!

    #1101020
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    The best segula is to take them out and whack them against the chazan who is taking too long for Hallel… then buy new ones

    #1101021
    TheGoq
    Participant

    42 u crack me up

    #1101022
    BSD
    Member

    Keep them in a flower pot until they take root, and shake it while attached.

    Or…

    Every day, shake it in the air in 6 different directions (preferably with the other minim). This is guaranteed to work for at least 1 day (Did you ever see black aravos on day 1?)

    I have seen many peaople do this, and that, my friend, is testimony to its efficacy.

    #1101023
    commonsense
    Participant

    buy new like everyone else whose arovos look nice.

    #1101024
    Jothar
    Member

    Poppa, all segulos work assuming you have the right kavanos and you follow the instructions to the letter. It took me months to get my silver segula ring of power correct from following the footnote in the kav hayashar, and the +hit and +dam values are still off.

    You must remember that the aravos represent those who have no Torah and no mitzvos, and are thus easily affected by the havlei olam. The more exposure to hevel, the worse they are. So the segulah is a 3-parter:

    1. the foil must be long enough to engulf the entire aravos to protect them from the havlei olam , and the Aravos must be kept in them at all times when not in use to minimize exposure to the tum’ah of the olam.

    2. Torah is compared to water, and the aravos desperately need water to minimize the pernicious effects of the havlei olam. so the foil must be lined with a wet paper towel long enough to engulf the entire aravah. If the towel dries up, the water must be replaced.

    3. Hislahavus is great for tefila but bad for learning, which is best done with a kerirus hada’as. So the package must be stored in the fridge, and (this was probably your mistake) the FRIDGE MUST BE PLUGGED IN.

    Finally, letting your wife borrow your arbah minim seems to cause the wilting to accelerate. This is for one of 2 reasons:

    1. Women, as they are on a higher spiritual plane, do not understand how exposure to the havlei olam hazeh ruins the amei ha’aretz represented by the aravos. So they leave them exposed to the hevel more than they should be.

    2. “bah isha, ba satan” has a very bad effect on amei ha’aretz who don’t have Torah to be magna umatzla. so mere exposure to women can wilt the aravos and make them meisim afilu bechayeihem.

    #1101025
    twisted
    Participant

    Try science instead of segula. In the NY area and most temperate zones, the salix purpura is common,(cultivated and prized for basketweaving) and it is overloaded with rooting hormone. Start some days before yomtov. Take fresh looking arovos, and re-cut the bottom of the stems by about a centimeter. If you can manage to do this under water even better. ( there are cutters of this type for flower stems, with a cutter rigged over a water container. The cut should be angled. Trim up some leaves and stand so the stem is in water with no leaves, and set in dark, so the water needs of the leaves is reduced. Sooner or later root nibs will appear. This is the ideal time to use them, and return them back to the wet dark conditions as soon as practical. If the rootlets are not to badly beaten up, you will have a seven day arava. Or, you can buy 14 aravos, keep them in the same condition, and use as needed. In a weeks time the roots will get larger, but they will stay fresh. Consider yourself lucky, the celo packed refrigerated floppy aravos in EY(salix alba) have no such recovery capacity.

    #1101026
    chanie
    Member

    Pray for ????, then you will be in ??????? and have only one day to do the ???? ????. That’s assuming you don’t purchase your Aravos a month before Yom Tov ?.

    #1101027
    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    Black iz beautiful, and if any ‘a you racists have anythin’ against ma’ beautiful black aravas, I’ll contact the authorities, ta’ make sure your racial slurs don’t go unpunished! Besides deyz looks great next to ma brown ethrog!

    …what?…

    #1101028
    Jothar
    Member

    Chanie, when moshiach comes we will all be in the beis hamikdash and will need to take the arba minim for 7 days medi’oraysah.

    #1101029
    2scents
    Participant

    Don’t worry, Poppa will always find something to complain about!

    #1101030
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    You should check your history books. Julius Ceasar used to wear them behind his ears to emulate the Jews cuz he thought they were doing it to be cool. Really they were just keeping their aravos fresh.

    #1101031
    chanie
    Member

    Jothar; Thank you for the correction. In the times of the Bais Hamikdash they were taken all seven days. It was only everywhere else it was taken on the first day. See Sukkah 41a.

    #1101032

    keeping their aravos fresh?

    It’s late here and I almost read that as “keeping their aveiros fresh!!!!!!”

    Regarding aveiros, I am an expert.

    Regarding aravos, I can’t help you. We have an aravos tree on every block here and I take what I need except on Hoshana Rabba when I pay kids from our community to cut them as is the tradition here.

    #1101033
    BSD
    Member

    600- you have an aveirus tree on your block?! tsk tsk

    chanie T.-impressive, but maybe stick to tzena urena

    #1101034
    HaQer
    Member

    The Best Time Tested Segulot

    Segulah for recovery from illness: Go to a doctor (Berachot 60a; Bava Kamma 46b)

    Segulah for longevity: Lead a healthy lifestyle (Rambam Deos 4:20)

    Segulah for marriage: Look for a suitable wife (Kiddushin 2b)

    Segulah for shalom bayis: Love and forbearance (Sanhedrin 7a; Bava Metziah 59a)

    Segulah for kavanna in prayer: Take it seriously (Berachot 5:1)

    Segulah to prevent drowning: Learn how to swim (Kiddushin 30a)

    Segulah for honest parnassa: Learn a profession (Kiddushin 30a)

    Sehulah for pure faith: Don’t believe in segulot (Devorim 18:13)

    #1101035
    ED IT OR
    Participant

    Sehulah for pure faith: Don’t believe in

    segulot (Devorim 18:13)

    LOL

    #1101036
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Just in time for this week’s parsha “?????? ?? ?????”

    #1101037
    147
    Participant

    We have another 229 days until Sukkos, so plenty of time till we reach this issue, so why fuss about it now?

    #1101038

    My favorite is the sgulah of how to make your hot tea cool down:

    Read perek ??”? three times.

    Then your tea is cold.

    I have this one from (great)grandchildren of Rav Eliashiv ????”? so it’s a very reliable sgulah!

    #1101039
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    See, I didn’t click on this thread yesterday, because I assumed it was just another dumb segula thread.

    But it was my dumb segula thread!

    Thanks for bumping!

    #1101040
    mexipal
    Participant

    segula for all other segulos to work:wake up at alos hashachar every morning for about three weeks and four days. Every morning jog around your city whilr reciting the entire sefer tehillim baal peh at least three times. Then kiss your aravos that you saved from succos seven years ago and the matzah saved from pesach thirteen years ago. Then and only then you should paint your face black with yellow stripes across and walk to work while saying “Ani Pesi”.

    Or you could find segulos that are actually brought down in seforim. or better yet, DAVEN TO HASHEM, he loves us and is always listening.

    #1101041
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Bump

    #1101042

    Mine never go brown and I’ll tell you why. You see my father has inherited this way of doing things from my great great grandfather in law, and this is how I do it. First thing when I buy them, I hang them in my dining room upside down from the chandelier, then I leave them ther for 2.6 hours and then bake them at 350 for ten minutes. Then when I put them in the lilav sleeve, I wrap it in a yellow towel, that I saturate with exactly 2 cups of water mixed with 1 tbs of vinigar and 1 shot of triple sec. And put it in a moldy lulav case that has my lulav from the year before (I keep it there year to year). Use green rubber bands to keep the towel on.

    This works so well, I never buy more than 1 set of aravos a year. Also, no one sits near me during davening so I have plenty of space to do my naanuim (I hold according to the shita that says you need to walk 4 feet three times in each direction). So far I have not had any problems, so if anyone would like to try it, I would love to know what you think of it.

    #1101043
    Chortkov
    Participant

    Mine never go brown and I’ll tell you why. You see my father has inherited this way of doing things from my great great grandfather in law, and this is how I do it. First thing when I buy them, I hang them in my dining room upside down from the chandelier, then I leave them ther for 2.6 hours and then bake them at 350 for ten minutes. Then when I put them in the lilav sleeve, I wrap it in a yellow towel, that I saturate with exactly 2 cups of water mixed with 1 tbs of vinigar and 1 shot of triple sec. And put it in a moldy lulav case that has my lulav from the year before (I keep it there year to year). Use green rubber bands to keep the towel on.

    We must be related!!! DO NOT under any circumstances drop any hints as to who you are on the Coffee Room, but i have the same ????? from my Shvigger, may she rest in pieces. Just instead of put it in a moldy lulav case that has my lulav from the year before , we add a step to the previous level: Saturate with exactly 2 cups of water mixed with 1 tbs of vinegar and 1 shot of triple sec. — Mix this in a pattern of seven times, followed by one anti-clockwise, until the mixture is thick enough. Then, as you pour it on, pledge 180 X [Gematria of your name] X [Gematria of Mothers Name] X 277 (Gematria of ????) IN DOLLARS ONLY to Kupat Ha’ir.

    It is nice to meet you, o relative of mine!

    #1101044
    haifagirl
    Participant

    Segulah for marriage: Look for a suitable wife (Kiddushin 2b)

    So that’s my problem! I guess I’ll just have to start looking for a suitable wife.

    #1101045
    Lechayim120
    Member

    I put my husband’s lulav in a cup of water and keep it in the basement where it is cooler. The aravos and hadassim are wrapped in paper towels that have been someone moistened and then put foil around that to keep the moisture in. When not in use, the entire lulav with the wrapped aravos and hadassim sit in this cup of water. Hope this helps.

    #1101046
    The Best Bubby
    Participant

    My husband always puts the aravos and hadassim wrappped into a damp kitchen towel, and then puts in the fridge on a shelf. They are always fresh, even the last day, like the first day. Hope this helps you.

    Gut Moed and G’mar Tov to all!

    #1101047
    Toi
    Participant

    i cant understand why no-one has imported american aravos to israel. israeli ones are junk. they die in a day. american ones can last the whole succos if kept right.

    #1101048
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    israeli ones are junk. they die in a day. american ones can last the whole succos if kept right.

    ??????? ?? ??? ????

    #1101049
    Sam2
    Participant

    Lechayim: There’s a serious Shaila about doing that.

    #1101050

    What is the shaila and who paskens pro or con?

    #1101051
    Sam2
    Participant

    I don’t know who says what, but I was told that several major Poskim Passul Arbah Minim if they are Mevushalim. And since Kavush Kimvushal, if they’re sitting in the water for 24 hours straight then we’d say they’re Mevushalim and P’sulim.

    #1101052
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Toi: I don’t know what you’re talking about. This is the first time I’m in Israel for Sukkos and it’s also the first time my aravos are still perfectly fresh on day 4. We should import Israeli aravos in America.

    #1101053
    Toi
    Participant

    pba- to clarify, the ones available for purchase here are junk. maybe theyre picked and packaged in turkey. what shaychis to diba al haaretz. youre pretty dumb.

    #1101054
    WIY
    Member

    Sam2

    Well it would have to be an exact 24 hours and if Lechayim does it at some point after her husband comes home and he takes the lulav the next morning before Davening its only about 22 hours.

    #1101055
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    haifagirl – that was really funny!

    P.S. We always think of you (more than usual) at this time of year.

    #1101056
    Sam2
    Participant

    WIY: Leaving it over Shabbos Chol Hamoed would be a problem. Also, if he puts them back after Minyan then goes to a later minyan the next day you could have 24 hours.

    #1101057
    #1101058
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    This year I have a very large and heavy lulav. Very hard to walk around for hoshanos with it. Perhaps if my aravos wilt and dry it will weigh less.

    #1101059
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    This year I have a very large and heavy lulav. Very hard to walk around for hoshanos with it.

    But great for whacking the guy in front of you.

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