September 6, 2020 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1898852
Name a Gadol that endorsed Biden.September 6, 2020 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1898910PROUD REPUBLICANParticipant
No one.September 6, 2020 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #1898938frumnotyeshivishParticipant
Gedolim tend to head tax exempt organizations. They avoid endorsing candidates so as to avoid risking their tax exempt status.
Further, endorsement implies knowledge of the ramifications of each respective candidate’s victory. Unlike in Israel, gedolim in the US are not privy to backroom deals in national elections.September 6, 2020 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1898950The Big OneParticipant
Any person, including the head and other leaders, of non-profit or tax exempt entities MAY endorse any political candidate he chooses. He simply can do it in his personal capacity rather than speaking for the organization or entity that he leads.
Indeed, HaGaon HaRav Shmuel Kaminetzky shlita has endorsed President Donald Trump for re-election even though he also happens to head a tax exempt non profit organization.September 6, 2020 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1898957The Shady CharediParticipant
Any Rav who makes decisions based on “risking their tax exempt status” is not a Gadol.September 6, 2020 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1898964KGNParticipant
They don’t support him [either] because he’s an idiot who’s not qualified to run or doesn’t have any good policies.September 6, 2020 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1898967
They don’t support him because he condones abortions and same gender marriage overlooking all Trump’s bad behavior.September 6, 2020 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1898969
“Gedolim tend to head tax exempt organizations. They avoid endorsing candidates so as to avoid risking their tax exempt status.“
What about rav Shmuel saying we should vote for trumpSeptember 6, 2020 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1898989
Why are we carrying on as if Rabbi Dr. Zundel Stevie Anderson did not endorse Joe Biden?September 6, 2020 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1899009oikerhurimParticipant
Al pi halacha it is asur to be kofuy toiv. Since we must show hakoras hatoiv to Trump by voting for him, if you vote for biden you are oiver an issur.September 6, 2020 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #1899026
In reality, losing a tax exempt status is more significant than the yeshiva vote in a national election.September 6, 2020 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #1899021
Reciprocation is not in any part halachah .
But in any case, what are thankful for about Trump?
And why does everyone think that Trump’s merit’s are unanimous?
PS If it turns out that we have more to be thankful for to Joe Biden, would you be endorsing him?September 6, 2020 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #1899025
What is the toiv?September 7, 2020 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1899160greatwizzoParticipant
Probably R’ elye brudny will endorse biden if asked.September 7, 2020 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1899169commonsaychelParticipant
“Harav ?” Avi Weiss will endorse him and so will so called Rabbis of the Open OrthodoxSeptember 7, 2020 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1899168mentsch1Participant
I personally always took Rav Millers point of view on voting
two years ago I was at a symposium for a major out of town yeshiva and the hanhala was asked this question. It was formatted in a way similar to “isn’t it an aveirah to vote for democrats bc of their social views?”
three out of 4 roshei yeshiva said they voted democrat especially at the local level. Their reasoning was hakoras hatov. They pointed to several cases were local democrats took up causes that actually saved jewish lives and therefore they voted for these democrats bc of hakoras hatov. Their position was hakaros hatov overrides the social aspects and they had several reasons for this ( I will not mention them bc I don’t want to allow for armchair pundits to argue on roshei yeshiva)
bottom line as I have said bf, there is no wrong answer to this. And more importantly its not worth arguing over. Our vote/hishtadlus can not pick the next president, that outcome is decided by HashemSeptember 7, 2020 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #1899231Resident MortalParticipant
Voting for a local candidate makes sense for hakaros Hatov, but that wouldn’t apply to Biden who is openly campaigning with antisemitic people, that is before even going to the amount of thing Trump did for the jews which he deserves ALOT of hakaros Hatov for.September 7, 2020 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1899260jackkParticipant
I would change the name of this topic to Name 2 Gedolim that openly Endorse Trump.
There will only be ‘cricket noises’ in response.
I agree 100% to what mentsch 1 wrote that ” And more importantly its not worth arguing over. Our vote/hishtadlus can not pick the next president, that outcome is decided by Hashem”.
I will add that the reason we vote is as follows:
Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt”l, wrote in Igros Moshe that “It is incumbent upon each Jewish citizen to participate in the democratic system which affords us the freedom we enjoy.”September 7, 2020 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1899287
From Wikipedia: “White House scholars and other students of government agree there has never been a president like Donald Trump, whose volume of falsehoods, misstatements and serial exaggerations” are unparalleled.” “A Fact Checker column tallied untrue or misleading statements, with the database reaching 20,000 on July 9, 2020.”
From Tehillim 119: שקר שנאתי, ואתעבה; תורתך אהבתי, I hate falsehood, I despise it;
שָׂנֵאתִי כָּל-אֹרַח שָׁקֶר, I hate every way of falsehood,
דֶּרֶךְ-שֶׁקֶר, הָסֵר מִמֶּנִּי, Remove the way of falsehood from me
Aren’t we told that Hashem’s stamp is truth? Can someone explain to me how a gadol or anyone who bases his life on Torah support someone who’s life has been so riddled with sheker, or believe that he would have any genuine help from Heaven? Maybe there’s something I don’t see, I would like to be shown it. True, the other side affiliates with positions we don’t always like, but …
Several other issues that seem critical to me:
1) Trump would get rid of the ACA, which has saved many many lives (presumably many of them Jewish lives), especially in the current pandemic.
2) Trump denies global warming, which is accelerating and has already upended millions of lives (Harvey and Irma to name but a few instances) and is expected to wreck major havoc on the world in many increasing ways in the future. His sympathies are with the oil billionaires and not with the people whose homes and lives have been and stand to be destroyed.
3) Many, many prominent Republicans, including many diplomats and intelligence people, are supporting Biden, something unprecedented in history. Those who voted for Romney note that he’s voting for Biden.September 7, 2020 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1899288yytzParticipant
Rav Moshe actually held a pro-choice position, even though ruled against abortion in nearly all cases. Since abortion is required if the mother’s life is at stake, he wanted the ultimate decision for whether to allow an abortion to be with the rabbi (who can decide whether the woman’s life is in danger in the terms of halacha) rather than giving that power to the doctor alone or the government.
Remember that the Satmar Rebbes told their chassidim to vote for Hillary last time. Many complex calculations are involved in deciding who is best to elect, so ultimately it must be up to each person.
The Torah is vast and contains a multitude of laws and hashkafic views. How could one candidate or party incorporate all of that? Note that all the religious parties in Israel are left-wing on economic and social-welfare issues but right-wing on security and moral values. There is no equivalent in the US.
And voting is not just a matter of halacha but also a matter of common sense–that is, is the person a stable and reasonable person who is literate, well-read, kind, understanding and deliberates before acting?September 7, 2020 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #1899291
Por- first of all, wikipedia? You do know it’s editable, right?
Next, for every point you bring people bring opposing points. There’s no clarity, no way to know right from wrong.
To all those who go ballistic when trump’s name is mentioned need to realized Hashem is in charge. He wanted trump in and you are wrong to have tainas on HKBH. If biden wins, i will give myself the same advice.
Let it go guys, try actually behaving like maaminim and yirei shamayim.September 7, 2020 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #1899292BenephraimParticipant
I think the major OU Rabbonim and Gedolim were extremely pro Hilary Clinton. I would assume that they are pro Biden as well.September 7, 2020 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1899297
Syag, I don’t know wbat you are talking about? Don’t you have to do your part by voting?September 7, 2020 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #1899302GadolhadorahParticipant
Outside of a few chassidish clusters, Yidden are no longer a bunch of sheeplach who mindlessly vote for whomever some Rav tells them to. Hopefully, most will examine the views of both candidates on issues of importance to them and their families and balance that with the behavior and performance of those candidates and make a decision. There clearly is a wide gap here in the CR and throughout the tzibur as to how we should separate and discount Trump’s personal behavior from his few positive actions with respect to EY. I’ve noted multiple times how frustrating it is for BOTH parties to continually nominate mediocre candidates but that is the binary choice we are confronted with. In our democratic system, our gadolim and askanim are entitled to express their own opinions on political candidates and policy issues but in contrast to matters of halacha, we as individuals can make our own informed political judgements after consulting with our on Rav.September 7, 2020 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1899304
You vote because that’s your hishtadlis. When you find out who Hashem has chosen as our president, you shut up and accept this, and everything else He does with love. Try accepting that what you want is worth nothing against what Hashem has deemed to be best for you. Stop fighting Him. Let it go.September 8, 2020 8:02 am at 8:02 am #18993091Participant
GH you’re a sheep pf the DNCSeptember 8, 2020 8:05 am at 8:05 am #1899311Ben LeviParticipant
What each Godol say i do not presume to know.
But I would like to clarify one falsehood.
ObamaCare did not save any lives.
It will not save any lives.
I personally was sick many years ago with an extremely rare and complicated disease, There was/is no certain remedy to this illness and instead there are many expensive “gambles”.
Fortunately I had good insurance, the doctors took action and I b”h recovered.
They virtually admitted that they would not have taken the risks they took if I had government insurance.
Sadly I came to understand what this meant when another individual in my community also became ill with this disease, he had Medicare, he never recovered and has now passed on.
ObamaCare gives healthcare and the illusion of care.
All it is doing is creating a system that is similar to Israel & other Socialized medical countries those that have money go to Asufa and receive real medical treatment while all the “regular” folk suffer.
In addition it is having the real effect of causing massive Doctor shortages.
Surprise people who are smart and talented would rather take a 2-4 year business track in MIT & make millions then slave away for 14 years to become a neurologist and then spend all their time fighting with red tape to earn a living.September 8, 2020 8:06 am at 8:06 am #1899320
Sayag LeChachma – Wikipedia or not, are you claiming that Trump is so committed to being truthful? His own sister, a retired federal appeals judge, says he’s totally untrustworthy. I don’t know, there might be valid reasons to support him, but don’t glorify him or make him out to be anything other than a very very big b’dieved. Regarding the other points I made, the ACA, global warming and the Republicans who oppose him, I would like to see substantive discussion about their merits and think they need to be discussed rationally, because many many lives are at stake. My own theory, only a theory, is that Hashem is rewarding him in this world for those genuine good deeds he’s done, אל תתיאש מן הפרוענות. Another point: NYS prosecutors are in possession of lots of hard copy evidence of serious financial crimes he’s committed (apart from testimony of his former lawyers and associates) for which others have served significant prison time. He knows about these things and has devoted a good part of his presidency to corrupting the justice system in order to keep himself out of jail. Is that someone we want to have in charge of the country? Again, I’d like to see serious rational discussion of these issues.September 8, 2020 8:19 am at 8:19 am #1899321
I’m not saying קבלו דעתי, you have to accept my opinions, but at least please discuss them objectively and rationally. I agree that Hashem decides who wins and am waiting to see what He decides, but I’m concerned that if Trump wins the world may in for some very serious consequences. May Hashem protect us.September 8, 2020 9:13 am at 9:13 am #1899359
Ben Levi, it says that לעולם יתפלל אדם שלא יחלה a person should pray not to get sick because once he gets sick he needs peraklitim gedolim, great zechusim, to get cured. Therefore, Hashem creates the refuah before the makah, before the zechusim are required.September 8, 2020 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #1899506
So to recap, after some hedging and naming gedolim that would’ve/could’ve/should’ve endorsed Biden, has there not been a single gadol that has actually come out and endorsed Biden?
So is it Trump – 1 Biden – 0?September 9, 2020 12:48 am at 12:48 am #1899706
Why is any of that relevant?
I am starting to get the sense of what the ‘hakoras hatov to Trump’ is all about.
Trump is a New Yorker through and through. He knows little about the U.S. besides the coasts. His idea of politics was who cares about policy let’s win the election and do what we want. When he decide He could not winged switched parties, and called the republicans racists and anti Semites. He was a Democrat but could’nt stand Obama. Now he is a Republican President with no alliance to it’s ideals.
A lot of posters here seem to be in the same ideological black hole. All anti Obama pro Trump talk, with zero commitment to policy. We must be thankful to our President for legitimizing their inability to be real Conservatives.September 9, 2020 12:49 am at 12:49 am #1899702
There were a bunch of non partisan posts on this topic.September 9, 2020 12:50 am at 12:50 am #1899704
Did you miss my post?
It is Trump 1 Biden 1.September 9, 2020 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1899718
How would Rav Miller gone about assessing Trump?September 9, 2020 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1899717
The American political system works best when voters form blocs. We can blindly follow journalists who are busy doing their job. Or we can trust the members of our communities that give their time to advocate.September 9, 2020 5:26 am at 5:26 am #1899730
Sayag LeChachma – you wrote “first of all, wikipedia? You do know it’s editable, right?”
1) Wikipedia is not entirely hefker, if something gets posted without a source their referees don’t considerable reliable it gets taken down. The things I quoted from there were backed up by articles published in respected journals. If you have anything from credible sources that shows that Trump is indeed a reliably truthful person you can and should post it on Wikipedia to clear his name.
2) And if you were to be convinced that he is indeed the baal sheker muvhak that those sources suggest, would the possukim I cited and the many many Chazals that talk about sheker be relevant to a decision as to whether to support him, and if not why not? Please enlighten us.September 9, 2020 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1899836
n0mesorah, read my question. Name a “Gadol”. Zundel Stevie Anderson does not qualify.September 9, 2020 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1899956
Name me an alternate heir to Rav Sinowitz’s z”l mantle.
Who voted you in as the one who gets to decide who is a gadol?September 10, 2020 11:10 am at 11:10 am #1900121
n0mesorah, it’s no secret that you created Zundel Stevie Anderson (note to moderators: I believe there’s a rule you can’t have more than one user) and his fictitious Rav.
A gadol has to be recognized by a significant part of Klal Yisroel as such.
Typical loser’s behavior – if you can’t win ’em, confuse ’em.
Again: Trump – 1, Biden – 0September 10, 2020 11:56 am at 11:56 am #1900192
Did you miss my post?
It is Trump 1 Biden 1.“
Do you believe zundel Stevie Anderson is on the same level as Rav Shmuel?September 10, 2020 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #1900468
Thanks for finding that poster!
I really enjoyed his humor at the time, so I reused it.
I only have one username.
Once we are on the topic, How much is a significant part of klal yIsrael? And, why does it matter to elections? (I think it does. What is your take?) Also, if it was BIDEN 10 TRUMP 0, would you vote for Biden?September 11, 2020 9:59 am at 9:59 am #1900573☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
To all those who go ballistic when trump’s name is mentioned need to realized Hashem
is in charge. He wanted trump in and you are wrong to have tainas on HKBH.
When you find out who Hashem has chosen as our president, you shut up and accept this, and everything else He does with love. Try accepting that what you want is worth nothing against what Hashem has deemed to be best for you. Stop fighting Him. Let it go.
You could say the same about anyone in any position of power. That Hashem
put them there doesn’t mean they were a good choice by any standard or
that they didn’t do terrible things that Hashem decided were necessary.September 11, 2020 11:20 am at 11:20 am #1900619jackkParticipant
Thank you for the post.
I feel that some people voted for the Trump idol and they believe that only he deserves to be called “The Chosen One” and therefore everything he does automatically has a Divine Imprimatur.
It is a double standard to believe that Trump was Divinely chosen but Obama (Or Biden) was not.
It is also a double standard to believe that Obama was Divinely chosen but was completely fallible whereas Trump isn’t.
After a week on this topic, it is still 1-0. Since nobody has found a second Gadol publicly advising to vote for Trump, it is obvious that the 1-0 is not really very meaningful. This is not a contest of how many Gedolim support which candidate.September 11, 2020 11:20 am at 11:20 am #1900620
That is true however their decisions weren’t their choice
Lev sarim u’malachim byad HashemSeptember 11, 2020 11:32 am at 11:32 am #1900631
Random- so what, that is totally irrelevant to the point.
Jackk- you seen too have a poor understanding of what it means to know Hashem runs the world, that everything is for the good, your hob is hishtadlus not the outcome, and making His will your will. It’s worth putting some time into learning it well, it will help you in all aspects of life.September 11, 2020 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1900645
n0mesorah, again your tactics. Everyone here will agree with me that Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky qualifies, and Zundel Stevie doesn’t.
And your theoretical question holds no water – “if it was BIDEN 10 TRUMP 0, would you vote for Biden?” I will be voting for Trump for the very same reason that such a scenario will never exist.
what if the gedolim endorsed Al Sharpton? They won’t.
jackk, no, this is not a contest. It’s just a reminder to all those here continually bashing the President and his supporters, that Trump was endorsed by a Gadol, whereas Biden was not.September 11, 2020 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1900649
Syag, it says vatishlach es amosah, how did Bisye know that her hand will grow? They say she did her part and let Hashem do His part. Reb Moshe explains how to raise children, half should be perspiration, by doing your part and the other half inspiration, pray to Hashem that your actions should bear fruit. Do your part of hishtadlus to accomplish the desired results according to the Torah and then pray to Hashem to make it a reality.September 11, 2020 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1900650
If Rav Shmuel Shlita might have known what Trump did with the cover up of the virus for his own interest, he might not have endorsed him.September 11, 2020 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #1900653
Reb E- yes, thank you. That is what i said. You are telling it to the wrong person.
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