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May 18, 2009 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #589791I can only tryMember
From today’s NY Post:
DETROIT — At 789 Chrysler lots across America sit 44,000 potential bargains, cars and trucks that are stuck between shell-shocked dealers and a troubled company that no longer wants their services.
The dealers have just a few weeks to sell the Chryslers, Dodges and Jeeps or risk losing thousands of dollars on them, giving people who want a car on the cheap a serious chance for a great deal.
“You’ve got some very good negotiating power,” said Dave Champion, director of automobile testing for Consumer Reports magazine. “[Dealers are] really looking to shift this inventory. It’s just stacking up all around them.”
On Thursday, Chrysler asked a New York bankruptcy court to end its franchise agreements with the dealers, casting them aside so the automaker can move forward as a new company with a leaner network of about 2,400 showrooms.
General Motors took a similar step Friday, giving notices to 1,100 dealers that it no longer wants them. On their lots sit 65,000 Chevrolets, Buicks, GMCs, Pontiacs and Cadillacs, but at GM, the dealers’ situation isn’t as dire.
GM isn’t in bankruptcy — at least not yet — so its dealers have more options to fight the move, which the company doesn’t plan to implement until October 2010.
They also have more time to sell the vehicles, plus, GM’s dealer agreements require the company to buy back cars and trucks that meet certain requirements.
May 18, 2009 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #646789chaverimMemberi can only try: Why would the dealer sell it for less than normal just because Chrysler is discontinuing their franchise? They can stay open and sell their EXISTING inventory as long as necessary.
jaymatt19: The US Gov. is guaranteeing all new warranties.
May 18, 2009 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #646790JayMatt19ParticipantJayMatt19: Personally I’d turn down the extended warranty.
chaverim: jaymatt19: The US Gov. is guaranteeing all new warranties.
Were you agreeing with me or arguing?
May 18, 2009 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #646791JayMatt19Participanti can only try: Why would the dealer sell it for less than normal just because Chrysler is discontinuing their franchise? They can stay open and sell their EXISTING inventory as long as necessary.
Because why should they hold onto their inventory if they are not getting in any new inventory? The only reason they are open, paying rent and staff is to sell out their current inventory. Seems like a recipe for good deals to me
May 18, 2009 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #646792chaverimMemberjaymatt19, if i understood you correctly, I disagree. I assume you suggest it be turned down since Chrysler is in bankruptcy. But since the US Gov is guaranteeing it, that is not a reason to turn it dowm.
Good point about my Q. to i can only try.
May 18, 2009 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #646793I can only tryMemberchaverim-
Hi.
That’s a good question.
The NY Post chopped out quite a bit from the original AP article.
I cut-and-pasted the full AP article below and bolded the part that answers your questions.
(You can skip straight to the bolded portion. The full article is pasted below for accuracy’s sake. Had I realized initially that the Post had chopped key portions, I would have searched for the complete AP article, rather than posting a truncated version.)
The dealers have just a few weeks to sell the Chryslers, Dodges and Jeeps or risk losing thousands of dollars on them, giving people who want a car on the cheap a serious chance for a deal.
“You’ve got some very good negotiating power,” said Dave Champion, director of automobile testing for Consumer Reports magazine. “(Dealers are) really looking to shift this inventory. It’s just stacking up all around them.”
On Thursday, Chrysler LLC asked a New York bankruptcy court to end its franchise agreements with the dealers, casting them aside so the automaker can move forward as a new company with a leaner network of about 2,400 showrooms.
Both automakers say they have too many dealers for too few sales. For years they have wanted to get rid of underperforming showrooms to expand the market area of healthier dealers. The moves would give the stronger dealers higher profits and more money to spend on marketing, facilities and personnel, making them more competitive with Japanese automakers.
But inside the 789 Chrysler showrooms to be cast aside, fear is starting to set in as dealers try to figure out what to do with expensive inventories that weren’t selling well even before the Auburn Hills, Mich., automaker entered bankruptcy protection last month.
“They’ve told us that the inventory is our problem,” said Keith Hollern, one of the owners of a Dodge dealer in Windber, Pa. “Want to buy one? We’re having a fire sale.”
Dealers borrow money to buy their inventories, then repay the loans and make a profit when the vehicles are sold. But Chrysler sales were down 46 percent the first four months of the year, so many dealers have been paying interest for months. Even if the vehicles are sold at cost, dealers still lose thousands in interest payments.
Chrysler doesn’t have the money to buy back the vehicles, said company spokeswoman Kathy Graham, but it also doesn’t want to leave dealers in a bind or see the inventory flood the market at bargain prices.
So it has signed a deal with GMAC Financial Services, Chrysler’s new finance company, to float loans to remaining dealers that Chrysler plans to keep so they can take on the 789 dealers’ unsold inventory. The deal, though, doesn’t include about 4,000 2008 models still on the lots.
Remaining dealers likely will need to take the cars and trucks because all of Chrysler’s manufacturing plants have been shut down since it entered bankruptcy on April 30, Graham said. Sales in May have been stronger than anticipated, so dealers will need to replenish inventories, she said.
“They’re not building anything right now, so they’re kind of creating a little bit of a product shortage,” Hollern said. “So, surprisingly, a lot of the dealers who have gotten new contracts to go on with the new Chrysler will be looking for new inventory.”
Graham said dealers to be cut from the company will get Chrysler warranty reimbursement and sales incentives such as rebates and low-interest financing until June 9. But after that, they won’t be reimbursed for either.
That means the dealers have a big reason to get rid of the cars before their franchise agreements end. Incentives on some vehicles can run $6,000 or more, and without them, dealers who have been cut won’t be competitive with remaining dealers who can still offer the discounts.
“They’re not giving us a lot of time,” said Michael Wolf, a Plymouth, Wis., Chrysler dealer whose franchise was among those that won’t be renewed. “They’re neglecting their liability of taking new inventory. They’re not taking anything back.”
Erich Merkle, an independent auto industry analyst in Grand Rapids, Mich., said he doubts that remaining Chrysler dealers will need more cars and trucks before June 9, so they’ll be reluctant to take on more metal.
He said the resale value of Chrysler vehicles has dropped, evidence that it’s losing the power to keep new car prices stable.
“What’ll end up happening, if a dealer wants to stay in business, they’ll probably end up just selling it below cost just to get rid of it,” Merkle said. “You’ll probably be able to find Chrysler vehicles perhaps at under the dealer cost.”
Dale Horn, owner of a Chrysler-Dodge- Jeep dealership in Malvern, Ark., whose franchise was cut, isn’t counting on any help from the company to unload his inventory of 34 vehicles.
“Right now, I don’t have much confidence that they will do what they say. Nobody’s called me yet saying they’re going to try to help me,” Horn said.
Still, he’s determined to sell the cars and trucks before June 9, and he’s not ruling out selling at a loss.
“It’s not a matter of ‘if.’ We will sell them all,” Horn said.
Champion said that before walking into a dealership, it’s important to find out about incentives and holdbacks, which are payments the dealer gets when it sells a car.
“It’s not a bad idea to go in there with a lowball price,” he said.
Waiting until the closure deadline might give shoppers even greater power. But Champion noted that supply is drying up. So waiting too long could mean not getting the ideal color or features.
“The longer you wait, the less options you’ll have,” Champion said.
May 18, 2009 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #646794chaverimMemberthanks for the article.
May 19, 2009 2:04 am at 2:04 am #646795I can only tryMemberchaverim-
It’s my pleasure to pass along info that may help people save a few bucks.
May 19, 2009 7:28 am at 7:28 am #646796GoldieLoxxMembergovernment guarenteeing warrantees? lol. file this form and youll get your car in 8-12 weeks lol
May 19, 2009 9:21 am at 9:21 am #646797nonnidevMemberMy family wouldn’t buy anything connected to the Daimler-Benz name (Y’S)…
Does anyone else feel this way, or is it just us?
Our memories go long and deep in my family.
May 19, 2009 11:23 am at 11:23 am #646798I can only tryMemberGoldieLoxx-
Hi.
President Obama guaranteed that the government will stand behind GM and Chrysler car’s warranties if the companies go under. No one would listen to him when he said “buy American cars” without that assurance.
nonnidev-
Hi.
Chrysler has not been part of Daimler-Benz since 2007.
Cerberus Capital Management took it off of their hands.
May 19, 2009 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #646799squeakParticipantICOT, if I’m not mistaken, Daimler still owns 20% and Cerberus has 80%. I don’t know if that makes any difference.
As for the gubby reinsuring the warranties – one word will suffice – OY!
May 19, 2009 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #646800I can only tryMembersqueak-
Thank you for your correction.
According to wikipedia, Daimler agreed to give up its remaining stake in Chrysler to Cerberus on April 27, 2009. As part of the deal, Daimler gave Cerberus $600,000,000 towards Chrysler’s pension fund.
May 19, 2009 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #646801feivelParticipantheres a tip
if you are looking to buy a used car the toyota corolla has the best reliability record in its class
most people know about the toyotas reliability and thus it commands a high price. most people dont know about the prizm and it is usually available for a much lower price
June 2, 2009 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #646802I can only tryMemberFrom CNN:
Don’t expect a GM fire sale
You’ll find some good deals on General Motors cars, but don’t look for panic selling and rock bottom prices.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Now that General Motors has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, car shoppers might figure they’re about to get screaming deals on GM cars and trucks.
Actually, they probably won’t.
“This isn’t like Circuit City where things just get cheaper and cheaper,” said Phil Reed, consumer advice editor for the automotive Website Edmunds.com.
Prices on GM vehicles are already about as low as they can realistically get.
Auto sales – and GM sales in particular – have been getting hammered by the nation’s weak economy. There simply isn’t room left for prices to go much lower.
Customers who go into dealerships expecting the sort of drastic markdowns they might have seen on flat-screen TVs and boom box radios at distressed electronics retailers won’t see cars dealers going quite that far.
“They’re not going to the extent of 50% off and that kind stuff,” said Jack Nerad, managing editorial director for Kelley Blue Book’s KBB.com Web site.
Inventory squeeze
While they may not be drastic, some additional price cuts could be coming down the road, Reed said. GM might boost its incentive programs and dealers could find ways to cut prices to clear out cars that remain sitting on the lot too long.
On the other hand, GM is just beginning a round of previously announced shut-downs of many of its factories. Even the ones that are just shutting down temporarily will be out of operation for at least several weeks. Without new vehicles coming out of factories, the more desirably equipped and colored cars, trucks and SUVs will get tougher to find.
That raises a dilemma for bargain-hunting car shoppers.
“Will the inventory still be attractive by the time the prices get low?” said Reed.
Moral of the story: Wait for huge discounts and you could end up picking through the dregs, especially on more popular models like the Chevrolet Malibu and Traverse or the Buick Enclave.
Dealer cuts
Like Chrysler, GM is thinning its dealer ranks. While Chrysler is pulling its franchise agreements from 789 dealers, GM recently told 1,100 of its dealers that it wouldn’t be renewing contracts.
The two automakers dealt with the situations differently. When Chrysler sent out its “Dear Dealer” letters, it gave those businesses just one month to get out of the business of selling Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles. After that, Chrysler announced, it wouldn’t be buying back any leftover vehicles but would help dealers find other dealers to buy the excess products.
That means that, as the June deadline approaches, some of those left-behind Chrysler dealers may be under pressure to take make deals.
Most GM dealers have been given until the fall of next year to sever their ties with the automaker.
“GM has put some dealers on the chopping block, but not with such a short time to execution as Chrysler,” said Nerad.
So, most aren’t feeling any particular pressure to sell down their inventory now, at least not any more than any other GM dealer. That’s good for them, but it means there’s less pressure to make wilddeals.
“The timeline is not favor of consumers,” said Reed.
Resale value
Ordinarily, an automaker filing for bankruptcy would seriously hurt the trade-in value of its cars and trucks, but the effects in this case should be fairly mild and temporary, Nerad said.
Two factors contribute to a relatively soft hit to the value of used GM vehicles, said Nerad.
For one thing, resale values on many GM weren’t so great to begin with. On those individual models with strong resale value, like the Cadillac CTS, the value of the car should remain fairly strong even now.
For another, these companies aren’t going out of business and most customers will quickly come to realize this.
“There will be an ongoing entity of both,” Nerad said.
Anyone considering selling a GM product right now should probably wait until after the company emerges from bankruptcy protection, though, said Nerad. Once the carmaker is out from under that cloud, your car’s value should bounce back, too.
By Peter Valdes-Dapena,
CNNMoney.com
senior writerJune 2, 2009: 3:47 AM ET
June 2, 2009 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #646803A600KiloBearParticipantBS”D
Considering that FIAT will be calling the shots at Chrysler from now on, it may be hard to obtain parts for Chryslers made before the crisis. That is because FIAT (Fix It Again, Turkey!) is famous for their patented and exclusive method of making chassis structures, engines, axles etc from aluminum foil, margarine tubs, tin cans and the like, and they look to crushed wine and S. Pellegrino bottles for windshields and other auto glass.
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