August 10, 2011 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #598554
Is it moving? Is it worth getting? Thanks.
Also, did anyone ever translate Rabbi Eisenberg’s hesped?-I think that’s his nameAugust 11, 2011 2:41 am at 2:41 am #797910
KIsh, I don’t know. I haven’t heard it yet. You should try asking someone who knows….;)August 11, 2011 2:54 am at 2:54 am #797911
Oh, ok, KIsh. You’re so smart. Do I know you from somewhere? You sound VERY familiar….August 11, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #797912maskingtapeMember
huh?!August 11, 2011 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #797913adorableParticipant
identity crisis….August 11, 2011 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #797914
personally i find it disgustingAugust 11, 2011 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #797915adorableParticipant
why is that?August 11, 2011 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #797916s2021Member
If I heard someone is making one penny off of it, I would throw up. I saw it said a “portion” of proceeds r goin 2 Leiby Kletzky fund.August 11, 2011 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #797917
im sory the whle idea is disgusting.August 11, 2011 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #797918elikParticipant
maskim it might be a nice song and chizzuk but noone should profit accept leiby’s family and their fundAugust 11, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #797919
commercializing a tzara?? is thtat normal. are we bereft of all sensetivities?!?!August 11, 2011 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #797920YW Moderator-80Member
i find it terribly disturbing and shameful as well
very upsettingAugust 11, 2011 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #797921HachamMember
I find almost all of the Jewish entertainment industry performers to be lacking in their activities.August 11, 2011 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #797922s2021Member
Mr. 80, that was a good way to describe it. I feel the same way. I cant stop thinking about it. I wonder if the family knows about it or gave permissionAugust 11, 2011 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #797923givingitagoMember
Do we know for sure that Lipa is making any money out of this personally? Perhaps he requested the Kletzky family’s permission and ALL proceeds are going to one charity or another. Please refrain from criticism without knowing all the facts…August 11, 2011 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #797924
i felt the same way about the bombing RL in mumbai but i wasnt a member to post my opinion. Oyyy!! moishele!! gimme a breakAugust 11, 2011 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #797925YW Moderator-80Member
i dont care if he isnt making a cent. i dont care if 100% is going to charity. that doesnt change a thingAugust 11, 2011 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #797926on the ballParticipant
It’s crass, insensitive and cheapens the whole tragedy. It’s got nothing to do with who gets the proceeds. Tragedies deserve respectful mourning and dignified solidarity not in-your-face commercialisation.August 11, 2011 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #797927MiddlePathParticipant
I think using a tragedy to promote yourself by capitalizing on people’s emotions is wrong.August 11, 2011 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #797929yiddishemishpachaMember
I just wanted to say something that perhaps may sound naive…I don’t know much about the business aspect of Jewish music, or music in general, and I am not a Lipa fan in particular. However, when I heard his song, the tears that were stuck in my throat finally came out and it helped me to mourn at least in part this horrific tragedy. At that moment, it gave me an opportunity to emote… I don’t see anything wrong with the song. I dont care that Lipa is a singer… to me he is just another Yid and I am sure that he felt the same way that we all did. Honestly, I haven’t seen the video since because it hurts too much, and I am in a different place … trying at least to focus on the part that Ribbono Shel Olam has his reasons and runs HIS world in ways I can’t possibly understand. Still, I think such harsh condemnation of Lipa is counterproductive and simply mean. In my humble opinion, he expressed his feelings in the medium that is most natural for him. Would you feel the same way if a poet would write a poem, etc.?August 11, 2011 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #797930
Who said anything about making money? How are they supposed to cover costs? It would be very nice if people would give their services free of charge but thats their business, not ours…August 11, 2011 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #797931bpmumParticipant
lipa is not making any money on it its all for the fundAugust 11, 2011 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #797932open mindedMember
i applaude lipa for trying to raise money for the family. BUT at the same time i am extremely disgusted by the song and especially the video. Everything in the song is dramatized and overdone, plus all of Lipa’s antics. it kinda kills all the emotions involved. This was a real tragedy not a video production or play!!!August 12, 2011 3:47 am at 3:47 am #797933
After regretting starting this post, and reading all the subsequent comments, I just want to clarify that the way yiddishemishpacha said it, follows my sentiments. I wanted to know if it was powerful, as music can be and if it helped with the mourning process and/or bringing one closer to HaShem.August 12, 2011 5:05 am at 5:05 am #797934aries2756Participant
I will only say that if the family thinks its appropriate, then its appropriate. If the family thinks otherwise then it isn’t. When little Moshe lost his parents in Mumbai, the songs were to be mechazek him and not about him.August 12, 2011 6:53 am at 6:53 am #797935WIYMember
This whole concept of singers making a song for every tragedy is way out of hand and as 80 says it is shameful and upsetting. It comes off as fake and reeks of arrogance and self promotion.
There’s a reason why many Rabbonim are getting fed up with the music industry. All the fame gets to these guys heads. They are “superstars” and are self absorbed and busy with their image. It used to be Jewish singers now whenever a concert it advertised its “singing superstar” ploni…August 12, 2011 8:54 am at 8:54 am #797936
If I get an opinion, I really don’t like the way this thread is going and it should please be closed.August 12, 2011 8:59 am at 8:59 am #797937
the idea isnt who gave rishus or whos making money- though obviously thats a side issue worthy of mention- rather the fact that theres a terrible tragedy in klal yisroel and we run to music studios.go sit and cry. learn musar. be mekabel something. and if putting out a single is what hashem really wants (as if) do it anontmously. but stop the commerciliozation. and moishele i dont think at that point took chizuk. he was threeAugust 15, 2011 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #797939am yisrael chaiParticipantAugust 15, 2011 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #797940WIYMember
am yisrael chai
I know Nachman Kletzky personally, he is a Tzaddik of a person. Do you really think he would say something negative even if he didn’t hold of this song? How do you think Lipa would feel if the father of Leiby told him he was upset about the song? We wont know what the father really thinks because he wouldnt say but we have our own seichel.August 15, 2011 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #797941600 Kilo BearMember
Lipa made it very clear that everything over expenses goes to the fund in Leiby’s memory. Just as he was honest when building his shul and got all of the proper permits, he was up-front and did not let people think he was not going to clear his expenses.
I bought it literally the moment I could (a few minutes after my local 12.46 pm chatzois on 10 Menachem Av). Yes, it is hurried and yes, Lipa can and has done better – but he is not doing it for the publicity – he doesn’t need publicity.
If it were better I probably would have bought a couple more copies to send as gifts. I will have to admit that I listened to it once and have not listened to it again. From a musical point of view he should have released a short track and then spent more time before releasing the final product. At least he did something and the family clearly approved – end of story.August 15, 2011 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #797942
not end of story. with deepest kavod for above comments i dont think the issue is whether the family approves, though its good they did and took nechama. the issue is whether this is the way that the am segula is supposed to deal with a tzara. by listening to a song, albeit a moving one? or does Hashem want us to strengthen our observance and be mekabel something etc. thats the issueAugust 15, 2011 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #797943600 Kilo BearMember
Maybe the song is meant to help inspire people to respond in other ways? Lipa’s avoida is his singing (and his shul). Leiby is no longer in the news and we probably would not be talking about him now were it not for the song.August 16, 2011 12:20 am at 12:20 am #797944yiddishemishpachaMember
i just wanted to clarify my earlier post. I was talking about a different clip I had seen when this first happened. WHen I saw it first I just broke down and sobbed… but OF COURSE, that doesn’t mean that listening to a song is the ONLY way one should deal with this tragedy. It is so much deeper than that obviously.
I have seen the new video and though I have no opinion if it is good or not good — I don’t care — it is much of the same…Lipa as an artist trying to make sense of this in his own way, ONE way and perhaps there are other ways he is dealing with what happened too. THat doesn’t mean that he doesn’t also soul search, etc. etc.. etc… Why this criticism of Lipa? Don’t we all have something we need to work on?? If this could have happened clearly there is something seriously wrong!! This tragedy is NOT normal and should never have happened. We are all trying to make sense of this, please stop judging the wrong things, a Yid’s sincere tries to put words (and in this case lyrics) to our collective pain …August 16, 2011 4:25 am at 4:25 am #797945am yisrael chaiParticipant
yiddishemishpacha, I so agree with you. He’s an artist and used his G-d-given talent to get out the pain not only for himself but for those who are able to emote through song but are not songwriters.
I can’t wait for the day when we see more threads like pba’s where we actually find the good in one another. R’ Levi Yitzchak ben Sarah Shosha mi’Berditchev was such a good example of this mida; we can only try to emulate him.
Forget about finding fault and criticizing others. None of us is perfect.
Let’s all attempt to find the glass half full, shall we?
I think this is what R’ Kletzky is trying to teach us all in his interview: ACHDUS.August 16, 2011 6:40 am at 6:40 am #797946
Wow, I guess like they say, people believe what they want to believe. I seriously doubt anyone forced R’ Kletzky to say anything about the song. If he didn’t approve, he wouldn’t have said anything!! On top of that, the family gave pictures. People do not contribute to things they don’t agree with.August 16, 2011 10:35 am at 10:35 am #797947welldressed007Participant
In the place of a wake call for K’lal Yisroel so many people are steering what happened into a public event which ultimately leads to all these money making schemes. We just cried on Tisha B’eav, we need to do Teshuva, deburim be’alma. Leiby A”H was a korban, we however do not do the cheshbonos of the Ribbono Sh-l Olam. Stop with all these outcries of self pity, recognize H-shem will take care of us, periodically we need reminders to observe mitzvos properly. Take on something you would not normally do, whether it is learning for an extra 15 minutes a day, no loshon hora, shimras Shabbos more carefully and above all koved habrius, respect each other as we are ultimately created be’tzelem Elokim. This will indeed I”YH be a tikun for Leiby A”H.Leave judgement to the ultimate judge and do your thing. Our focus is to far off track, or perhpas you still need to tell the Ribono sh-l Olam how to be the master architect of this world. This job is taken!!!!!!!!!!!
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