"New" Segulah found in an old sefer

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    Bar Shattya
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    I found this segulah in an old sefer and I though people might want to know about it. It was used for parnassah but I’m sure it works for shidduchim of course, and the other good stuff in life. The story went as follows:

    One year there was very little rain and all this man’s crops were dying, so he made this stone thing and bowed to it and gave it food and then IT RAINED!!!

    Use at your own risk.

    #818042
    2scents
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    .. official Dolt!

    #818043
    Toi
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    so much funny

    #818044
    Jothar
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    Bar Shattya is trying to make a point, that segulos are only as reliable as the source, and that many segulos might be darchei emori.

    Or not.

    #818045
    Bar Shattya
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    Thanks Toi, at least someone appreciated it, even if the mods didn’t

    #818046
    ItcheSrulik
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    Bar Shattya: I saw in a different sefer that you have to light a candle in front of it and appoint 7 girls to make sure the candle doesn’t go out. Which one of us has the right mesoirah?

    #818047
    metrodriver
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    Bar Shattya; No one for a moment took your comment at face value. Knowing your track record and subjects you commented on. Your point is well taken, though. But there will always be people who live by Segulos. Those are people who have a Two-fold problem. (Let me be an amateur Psychoanalyst for a while.) They are borderline Obsessive-Compulsive. And reality doesn’t work for them very well.

    #818048
    Shticky Guy
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    But that really is darchei emori. Obviously satire but still I’m suprised it got thru the mods.

    We Jews have a far more powerful and certain way to make it rain. It never fails. Never. Its Foolproof. Doltproof, even. You can depend on it to make it rain whenever you set it up… Its called a sukka.

    #818049
    am yisrael chai
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    sg

    Thanks much for the laugh!

    #818050
    gefen
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    MODS – what happened? My post disappeared. It was like the second post before. I wrote “sounds like avoda zara to me”.

    #818051

    What about hitting a rock with a stick? That segula does have a mekor but it had disastrous results for someone who used it when he should not have……….

    #818052
    Sam2
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    600: Don’t call that a “Segulah”. It would be Nichush at best and Avodah Zarah at worst. Moshe doing it Al Pi HKBH is not relevant for copying it nowadays. This is why I say people need to be careful with how they phrase things.

    #818053
    HaLeiVi
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    Nothing is Avoda Zara unless you worship it. Doing something that someone told you or you thought would help, for whatever reason, is not Avoda Zara.

    Nichush means doing something based on a superstition, not doing something to get results.

    Darkei Emori only applies if it is in fact a superstition that originated by Goyim. The Chida says that we can’t add anything to the list of Darkei Emori that Chazal gave.

    So, hitting a stone to get water would be, at worst, Megale Panim Batora Shelo Kahalacha, since you are showing that you think that the water was not a Ness.

    #818054
    Bar Shattya
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    Nothing is Avoda Zara unless you worship it. Doing something that someone told you or you thought would help, for whatever reason, is not Avoda Zara.

    Please elaborate. If I think that praying to the moon, or LiHavdil(???) Saying Perek Shira will cure me of all my woes, is that not worshipping it? What is this “worship” you speak of?

    #818055
    mexipal
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    what about spitting on a wound and saying “kol hamachala asher samti..” sounds like a good segula to me. maybe a disastrous side effect such as ein lo chelek beolam habba but whadya know

    #818056
    Bar Shattya
    Member

    This is a true story, okay? A true story!

    A relative of mine was told by some dude that his rebbi said that if it works then its okay. Isn’t that funny?! That would kind of argue with that verse about how we kill the guy who does magic, huh?

    There are plenty of avodah zarah stuff that work.

    #818057
    HaLeiVi
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    If it works then it is not Nichush or Darkei Emori. Avoda Zara has nothing to do with working or gaining. Surely, people worship them for gain, but worship means showing subservience in any of the four or specific Avodos, whether you gain from it or not.

    Praying to anyone or anything other than Hashem is Assur, though I’m not sure that it is Avoda Zara. To do something for a certain purpose, for which you are told it helps, is not an issue of any of the above. This last category is found in many Sefarim and in many places in Shas.

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