December 25, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1111780
Sam 2- What you posted about the Gra -I didn’t find on that page.
I spent some time researching this and I’ll try to give a Short synopsis. The Gra explains the Mechaber is holding like the Sifri which is quoted by the Chocmas Odom.
The Rema brings a Mahrik that argues based on Reshonim.
The Gra argues about this idea from the Mahrik – that you need Pritzus along with the clothes being created for Avodah Zorah. He holds that if the purpose of the clothe was created for A’Z -it’s always Ossur, but if Stam Azoi then it would be Mutter.
The Nosai Keilim have problems with this Mahrik & knock down one Raya.
To conclude, when it comes to something like Nose-rings, the Gra would hold like the Mahrik that this wasn’t created for A’Z and would probably be Mutter.
But I believe the Chomas Odom is Paskening like the Mechaber that the Issur is copying the Goyim on everything, not just things created for A’Z. The question is Why? I think he didn’t want to Pasken like the Rema because of all the problems with the Mahrik.
So we probably have to follow the Chocmas Odom because he is Basroh. So it would come out that Nose-rings are Ossur from the Torah!December 26, 2011 12:57 am at 12:57 am #1111781emunah613Member
Parents of sons: If someone told you that she has a great girl for your son, but that the girl wears a nose ring, would you pursue the shidduch?December 26, 2011 1:35 am at 1:35 am #1111782
emunah613 – If my future wife has a nose ring -I’d want her to have the ones that bulls wear -ya know the big round ones. This way I can pull her around wherever I want to!December 26, 2011 1:39 am at 1:39 am #1111783emunah613Member
Then you’d be a “BULLY”.December 27, 2011 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1111784Sam2Participant
Health: You misread the Gra. The Gra says things were created for Avodah Zarah is in S”K 6 (5?) and is about actions, where he is talking in regards to Darchei Haemori. In S”K 1 he clearly says that any clothes that were worn by the Goyim without purpose and Jews didn’t wear are automatically Chukas Hagoyim to wear.December 27, 2011 2:49 am at 2:49 am #1111785
Sam 2 – And you didn’t read my post above. I said that the Gra learns that Pshat in the Mechaber. Later on the Gra asks on the Mahrik. He actually doesn’t say what he holds himself, but it seems that he holds that if the purpose of the clothe was created for A’Z -it’s always Ossur, but if Stam Azoi then it would be Mutter.November 13, 2015 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1111786alcibiadesParticipant
Excellent discussion demonstrating how many are very stuck in the Exile mentality and operating under western values instead of authentic hebrew middle eastern values.
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