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    Toothpick17
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    I’ve seen in the frum community women’s clothing stores that have not tzinius manicans. Number one is I don’t want to see pritzus. Number 2 is what are we teaching the girls?

    #1713090

    👑RebYidd23
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    What’s a manican?

    #1713142

    Takes2-2tango
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    Its a “man in a can” . Whats not tznius about that?

    #1713147

    Nechomah
    Participant

    mannequin

    #1713151

    Reb Eliezer
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    What are you doing in a women’s clothing store?

    #1713153

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Tzinus applies towards man, it does not apply towards women.

    #1713156

    lakewhut
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    Why are you in a women’s store?

    #1713157

    Health
    Participant

    Yidd23 -“What’s a manican?”

    Well – when English is optionary in High School, then it’s a Manican!
    From Webster’s:
    “manikin – variants: mannequin or less commonly mannikin.”

    #1713170

    The little I know
    Participant

    RebYidd:

    It’s a womanican with a gender identity issue.

    Actually, the word is mannequin, and the word itself is not gender specific. Obviously, they are sold to reflect different sizes, different figures, and are usually gender specific.

    As for what we teach our girls, if you are hooked on appearance like the display suggests, you will have the non-living existence of this hunk of plastic and metal.

    #1713193

    Yabia Omer
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    Is this really what you guys are wasting your time thinking about? Get a life.

    #1713198

    Amil Zola
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    I’m trying to figure out how a mannequin a tznius store, wearing tznius clothes isn’t tznius.

    #1713199

    Mr. Shimon
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    She’s in a woman’s store because she’s a woman. And who really cares how you spell mannequin. What a dumb thread.

    #1713350

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    “I’m trying to figure out how a mannequin a tznius store, wearing tznius clothes isn’t tznius.”
    Obviously, it’s not wearing tznius clothes. Tznius stores sell clothes that frum women often buy, but have to wear a shell underneath. They don’t always put the shell on the mannequin. There’s no chiyuv to, and I think the OP knows that; I’m pretty sure he’s just joking.

    #1713418

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Manicans are becoming quite rampid.

    #1713507

    Health
    Participant

    Toothpick17 -“I’ve seen in the frum community women’s clothing stores that have not tzinius manicans. Number one is I don’t want to see pritzus.”

    Do you know how Manicans come from the Manican store?
    Any clothes they put on is more Tznius than the way they come!

    #1713523

    Mammele
    Participant

    Whether Mae or female, the OP is right here (except for the spelling, but what else is new?).

    The mannequins are very often in the display window to the street, which he/she may be referring to. Either way, if they cater to a Frum clientel they should be more sensitive to the community.

    #1713532

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “they should be more sensitive to the community.”

    Lets call a spade a spade. the sellers are selling what the buyers want.

    #1713553

    Mammele
    Participant

    I didn’t realize how right I was about misspellings… (Referring to my own typo above.)

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    The little I know
    Participant

    apushatayid:

    “The sellers are selling what the buyers want.”

    And buyers buy what the store sells.

    The volley goes both ways. The blame game turns into a ping pong game, and is completely useless.

    When we leave the messages about tznius as restrictions, we get pushback from all angles. That’s how the yetzer horah works. The approach to tznius that is more effective in the long run and short run is based on the cherishing and protecting the dignity of the Bas Yisroel and something sanctified and not for public exposure. When we see things that way and pass along this message, we accomplish much more. Meanwhile, our chinuch system and much of the street is obsessed with measurements for hemlines etc., tznius buttons, and other small issues. That shoves the matter back to the yetzer horah’s domain, and things become challenging. No one is looking to demean or bypass halacha. Chas veshalom. But the approach matters.

    #1713766

    apushatayid
    Participant

    The local clothing store is not creating demand by its mannequin displays. If the local butcher sold pork no one would go in.

    It’s not a question of blame.

    #1713813

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    What is not tzniyus? That’s what I don’t understand.

    #1713825

    apushatayid
    Participant

    @shopping. The OP is opining that the mannequins are set up in a way that does not conform to halacha, (Perhaps the neckline is too low, the dress sits above the knee etc…) thus directly telling the market this is what you should buy and how you should wear it. .

    #1713829

    MRS PLONY
    Participant

    So what Tothpick17 (the OP) is saying is that the mannequins are wearing not-tznius clothes? Why would a store catering to a frum clientele advertise that they offer not-tznius merchandise?

    #1713842

    ujm
    Participant

    Mrs Plony: Because these so-called frum stores actually sell non-tznius clothing to so-called frum people who buy them.

    #1713843

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    @apushatayid

    Ok, well forget the store, does everyone in your building conform to the same standards of halacha? What about your shul?

    That is such a dumb OP. Just saying.
    You cannot force anyone else to do something.

    #1713905

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “That is such a dumb OP. Just saying.
    You cannot force anyone else to do something.”

    He isn’t talking about forcing. Let’s say the OP was worded like this “Some stores that advertise as being tznius only, sell clothes that are only tznius when you wear a long-sleeve shirt underneath. Sometimes, they put these clothes on mannequins without the undershirt because it makes it look more appealing. Is this possibly maris ayin as it causes people the think the outfit is tznius without an undershirt?”

    I wouldn’t make any kind of deal out of it either, but hey, it’s not the dumbest thread on the CR by any means.

    #1713908

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “does everyone in your building conform to the same standards of halacha? What about your shul??

    Everyone who lives in my home, conforms to the same standards.

    Shul? If we all ask our questions to the Rav of the shul, then I suppose the answer is yes. We all conform to the standards of the Rav Shlita?

    Is there an opinion in halacha that permits a woman to completely expose her knee in halacha? I deliberately chose an example that I thought was elementary school halacha accepted by all legitimate halachic authorities. Certainly, “Rabbi” Sally Sherman and other of her ilk would have their own opinions and standards, but, I (foolishly?) assumed we were referring to those who follow the shulchan aruch and its standards.

    #1714110

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    Is there an opinion in halacha that permits a woman to completely expose her knee in halacha?

    I don’t think so. Yet I live in a neighborhood that has chassidim and modern orthodox, and anything in between.

    @Neville – I think that’s an issue but what i think doesn’t matter, I have no way of controlling what the store owners do, and they may not even listen or care about daas torah at all.

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