January 24, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #594427
what does everyone think about girls going to nursing school? waht about boys? i hear it is becoming vry common lately..January 24, 2011 2:42 am at 2:42 am #731657
why is nobody commenting?January 24, 2011 2:43 am at 2:43 am #731658
Is nursing school like nursery school?January 24, 2011 3:32 am at 3:32 am #731659
To each his/her own. If that’s what you like. Some people aren’t capable of practicing medicine, so they become nurses were someone else makes the decisions.January 24, 2011 3:36 am at 3:36 am #731660
That is not a very nice thing to say.January 24, 2011 3:41 am at 3:41 am #731661amichaiParticipant
have no problem with men being male nurses. doctors schedules are real killers,especially in the begining , and you can focus on helping and caring for pple.January 24, 2011 3:46 am at 3:46 am #731662
Actually, it’s very nice. These nurses are honest. What about all the doctors, PA’s, NP’s, EMT’s, paramedics, who think they know it all and are very incompetent, but that doesn’t stop them from practicing everyday? BTW, I fit into some of the categories I just mentioned, so I know what I’m talking about.January 24, 2011 4:02 am at 4:02 am #731663YW Moderator-72Participant
“What about all the doctors, PA’s, NP’s, EMT’s, paramedics, who think they know it all and are very incompetent”
“BTW, I fit into some of the categories I just mentioned”
so Health… in which of those fields are you incompetent in?
(I had to come out of retirement for this)January 24, 2011 4:56 am at 4:56 am #731664charliehallParticipant
Nurses have to deal with a LOT of non-tzniut stuff. (Doctors, PAs, paramedics, too — I’ve personally had to teach future doctors about sexually transmitted diseases.) Medical careers are not for people who can’t deal with suffering, sickness, or bodily fluids. Or with some of the seamy side of human activity, which causes some of the things medical professionals have to deal with. Nursing is not for the prissy. And the work is very hard, often under very difficult conditions.
But the reward can be tremendous. You would be helping to save lives which is one of the greatest of all mitzvot.
Good luck!January 24, 2011 5:45 am at 5:45 am #731665GuardmytongueMember
Some people become nurses because they know how to treat people nicely, the rest become doctors, PA’s and NP’s.
Sorry, I’m not usually so nasty but I am so tired of listening to all the ‘shtochs’ from certain posters.January 24, 2011 8:57 am at 8:57 am #731666YW Moderator-80Member
i am a physician, and i know well that arrogance is one of the most prized characteristics for acceptance into the medical profession. nurses and patients are generally well aware of this also.
along with intelligence and inability to admit self-error, it makes success in the profession very likely.January 24, 2011 9:32 am at 9:32 am #731667haifagirlParticipant
have no problem with men being male nurses
What other kind of nurses could men be?January 24, 2011 9:48 am at 9:48 am #731668Mother in IsraelMember
Health, your first comment is both rude and inaccurate.
Nolashonhara–If nursing is something you think you would enjoy and be good at, go for it. I decided to go to nursing school because I’ve always loved medicine but a doctor’s life is not compatible with being a mother. I started nursing school but soon after that my child got sick and I had to spend the next few years being a mommy-nurse so I dropped out. After I lost my child, I didn’t have the mental energy to go back to school. My kids’ pediatrician says that I’ve learned in the School of Life more than most doctors and nurses will ever know, but that doesn’t help with getting a job. (I ended up opening a BH very successful business from home, but medicine is something that will always be near and dear to my heart.)
Mod 80–Out of curiosity, what kind of physician are you? I understand if you don’t want to answer.January 24, 2011 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #731669GuardmytongueMember
Mod 80 – I wrote that comment as an immature response to what health wrote. With you specifically in mind I deleted it. At least I thought I had. 🙁
Forgot to guardmytongueJanuary 24, 2011 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #731670cleverjewishpunMember
I’m guessing the OP here is asking about how nursing school would affect the shidduchim process for their own child
*and round and round we go on the learning vs. working topic”January 24, 2011 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #731671akupermaParticipant
It’s a lot cheaper than getting a M.D., and you can be gainfully employed four years after starting college (less with AP, CLEP or “yeshiva credits”). It’s a middle class profession with low entry costs, and room for advancement. The frum community needs nurses, especially male nurses.
The profession is horribly misnames and should really be something like “Associate Physicans”.January 24, 2011 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #731672always hereParticipant
my nephew, The Doctor,(graduated last May), got married 2 yrs ago to a wonderful girl who’s now a registered nurse.January 24, 2011 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #731673gavra_at_workParticipant
From what I hear, it is somewhat difficult to get an RN job in the NYC area.
Good luck.January 24, 2011 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #731674
to those who think otherwise,
some of us become nurses because we specifically want to be nurses. not because we couldn’t be doctors and chose it as a 2nd choice.
being a doctor and being a nurse are 2 completely separate professions. it is a world away from each other. sometimes people like to lump them together, but it’s really an inaccurate assessment.
i became a nurse because i wanted to become a nurse. there’s the relationship you have with your patients that i wanted that a doctor won’t usually have. i never wanted to be a doctor and still don’t.January 24, 2011 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #731675
and btw, though the vast majority of those in my nursing school were female, there were a number of males as well (more than i had expected). a few of those guys were frum ones.January 24, 2011 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #731676always hereParticipant
gavra_at_work– B’H, they’re both working @ good hospitals, Manhattan & Long Island.January 24, 2011 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #731677not IMember
I have friends who studied nursing. it doesn’t sound that nursing is ny sort of picnic. There is plenty of work and they do end up knowing a whole lot about the body and diseases as well..
The whole thing could be over in two years in Beth Israel..January 24, 2011 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #731678yentingyentaParticipant
i am in my second semester of my fist year of nursing school right now, and let me say if you arent dedicated to the nursing program, dont start. it takes a big commitment and a lot of dedication, not to mention a lot of study time and concentration.
As not i said, Beth Israel is a 2 year program, and the graduates recieve a AAS, which lets the graduate take the N-CLEX RN test, after which, you are a RN (registered nurse). Bulka (seminar hachadash) is 2.5 years, but graduates have a BSN (a bachelors in nursing) the program (from what i hear) is more intestnse).
beth israel is a great program, and there are quite a few frum girls (and men) in the program. the teachers are very accomodating for yom tov, and most for most of the yomim tovim, the school is closed. as a program, its great, and so glad to have chossen BI for my nursing degree
and to anyone choosing the feild of nursing, Hatzlacha rabah!January 24, 2011 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #731679
Mod 72- I actually got a good chuckle out of that one.
Mod 80- If you think there are too many arrogant med professionals, why don’t you become a professor and teach us the right way? I’m sure you could make as much as you do teaching as you make on YWN!January 24, 2011 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #731681SapphireMember
One of my grandparents who was not well before passing away had a few aids/RNs, etc. for a couple of years. We spent a lot of time with this grandparent, especially during that time, and I came to greatly admire people in the medical profession. Although I don’t know all that much about the medical field, I don’t think I would be able to do what they do. It is not just a profession, but a way in which one can give to others. The kindness we have seen from doctors, nurses, random medical personnel is remarkable. Whoever goes into such a field – Kol Hakavod!
I know several people in or who just finished nursing school with Touro College, Rebbetzin Bulka’s school (with Adelphi University?), Beth Israel?January 24, 2011 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #731683aries2756Participant
For those who are truly interested it is currently VERY difficult to get a nursing job in a hospital. There are plenty of jobs in the home care field but it doesn’t have the same salary or advancement as a hospital offers. Of course a home care job offers more flexible hours. Home care will not give you the work you need to continue on for your degrees. Nor will it help you get sponsored for scholarships or financial aid, which hospitals might help you with.
The only problem I can see with men getting involved with nursing is that the pay is capped. So once you hit that cap there is no where else to go to bring in more parnasah. If you are the one who is being depended on for parnasah that pay scale me seem very comfortable as a single person, but as a family man with many mouths to feed and many tuitions to pay, it might not work out down the road.January 24, 2011 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #731684
I went to BI as well and it is really a great school.
As far as BI vs Bulka, BI cost me about 20k, whereas I believe Bulka costs about 70k last I heard. True that with Bulka you get your BSN, but you can also get your BSN after you graduate from BI (which I’m in the process of doing) and still end up much cheaper than Bulka.
Very true. Extremely difficult job market right now (at least in the NY/NJ area). Everyone wants those with experience only, and one can’t get experience if they aren’t given the chance. There are enough experienced nurses flooding the field who are from hospitals that have closed down, or those who might have retired in the past, but decided to continue to work due to financial reasons, that the new grads are having a very very tough time finding jobs.January 24, 2011 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #731685twistedParticipant
Quote Health “all the … who think they know it all….”
By no means ALL, Heath, there are those of us who know that with common sense, rahmonis, and taking pains to ease the angst and psychological factor in sickness, you can help save a life, and we can do it with the finest middos. And dont forget the latest profession, medical clowns.
Me, a former, lowly, EMTJanuary 24, 2011 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #731686
i am talking about is it appropriate for a girl to be exposed to such things as seen in nursing school, and even more in the hospital. i know its a good field but what about sheltering? same with boys….. there is alot that one sees that is inaproriate for men,especialy if they are unmarried!!!January 24, 2011 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #731687
What are you asking? Maybe be specific.
Are you talking about who your friends will be in school?January 25, 2011 12:33 am at 12:33 am #731688
actually, I am already in school and almost done. I want to know waht the klal thinks about a Frum girl being a nurse! she sort of looses her innocence if you know what i mean. i have some men in my class and I wonder what they think about all they are seeing and being exposed toJanuary 25, 2011 12:37 am at 12:37 am #731689yentingyentaParticipant
nursing school definitely has some aspects that you may call “inappropriate”, but its all in context. when my friends and i study those subjects, we say k read this slide and we continue on, without mentioning it in detail. its definitely a challenge, but we deal with it. i will say that there have been times i have left a room because of conversations the nonjews were having. thats part of going to a non-frum college such as bulka, touro or raizel rite.
as for the frum men, of the 4 in the entire BI, i know 2 of them are married, one i am pretty sure, and the last i have no idea. for his sake i hope he is, but its not my place.
the.nurse: can i ask which RN to BSN program you are taking and how long the entire thing takes after the RN? i missed the day Excelsiar came to BI.January 25, 2011 12:46 am at 12:46 am #731691The Coffee BeanMember
There are nooo jobs right now for new nurses! I have several friends that graduated in May and still haven’t found a job, yet alone a hospital job.
BTW Bulka ends up being closer to three years of school, not 2.5.
To OP, yes there are several inappropriate topics discussed in nursing school and during clinicals there are major violations in Tznius. If this concerns you, speak to your LOR before applying…January 25, 2011 1:20 am at 1:20 am #731692
No she’s probably talking about grown up things. I tell you Charlie’s (Dr. Hall) post is correct. You have to be mature enough to be able to handle things that most frum Jews will never see in their whole life. I don’t oppose singles either male or female joining our ranks, but it can be a real-shocker for someone who has been sheltered in the frum community their whole life!January 25, 2011 3:23 am at 3:23 am #731693
health- exactly. that is wat i was sheltered and unfortuantly i am not anymore. i am able to deal with it but sometimes i wish i wasnt so exposedJanuary 25, 2011 8:45 am at 8:45 am #731694yeshivaguy1Participant
If you need to know it for nursing it is not inappropriate. Most guys I know who are going to college are not sheltered and are not really learning things that are a shock to them. Bais Yaakov girls on the other hand…January 25, 2011 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #731695
I’m doing it through Excelsior. It will only work if you’re the type of person that’s disciplined enough to do all the work on your own and give everything in on time, without going to classes. How long it will take will depend on how many classes you take per semester. Personally, I couldn’t do more than 2 a semester as I am working full time and only have nights to do the work. I’ll tell you straight up that it’s very difficult work; there will be papers to write etc.. but I think in the long run, it’s very worth it. [Anyway, if you get through BI in one piece, you can probably get through anything 🙂 ]January 25, 2011 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #731696
Coffee bean -What about applying in nursing homes. Even in the hospitals I’ve seen many job fairs.
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