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  • #603603

    Chulent
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    The Olympics are one of the largest purveyors of pritzus. The entire operation, from the disgustingly immodest attire of their athletes to everything surrounding the event. How one earth can anyone be advertising “kosher accommodations” (sic) for this horrible event of pritzus?!?! Where is the shame!! It’s bad enough someone might consider attending this pritzus, but to publicly advertise accommodating their aveira-filled ways??

    #877207

    musser zoger
    Participant

    No tv, no newspapers, no magazines, filtreed internet…how in the world do you know anything about the Olympics??

    #877208

    Sam2
    Participant

    Chulent: Iwould assume the men’s events aren’t Pritzus-dig, are they?

    #877209

    GeshmakMan
    Participant

    As long as you “need” the internet for work and the advertisement is on a “Frum” website, there’s “nothing wrong with it”. đŸ™‚

    #877210

    apushatayid
    Participant

    I admit the short shorts worn by the NBA players 35 years ago made me a bit uncomfortable, (ok, I’m lying) but with todays long and baggy shorts, no problems there. I will be following the US kick everyones rear ends in basketball.

    #877211

    oomis
    Participant

    The events are not pritzus. The manner of dress might be less than our concept of tznius, and the idea of the Olympics, going back to the “gymnasion” of the Greeks, speaks to things that were very negative in our history, but you have no chiyuv to watch it.

    #877212

    Chulent
    Member

    “The manner of dress might be less than our concept of tznius”

    Even if that would be the extent of the problem, that alone makes it strictly forbidden to attend or watch such events.

    #877213

    Loyal Jew
    Member

    Chulent is spot on. Any level of involvement in this descendent of Greek avodah zorah is assur.

    #877214

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Basketball is a descendent of greek avoda zara? Live and learn.

    #877216

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    apy: Not basketball, the torch relay. Of course even that is stretching the definition of the issur as none of the people involved actually believe in it.

    #877217

    dashâ„¢
    Participant

    Not basketball, the torch relay.

    The torch relay was a Nazi innovation. The Olympic flame decends from Avoda Zara.

    #877218

    Sam2
    Participant

    Dash: Which probably makes it only Chukas Hagoyim, which isn’t Assur for Goyim to do. The flame probably doesn’t have anyone believe in anything Avodah Zarah related having to do with it anymore.

    #877219

    yehudayona
    Participant

    They wear clothes. That’s a step up from the Greek olympics.

    #877220

    Loyal Jew
    Member

    People who follow the Olympics run into every problem in spectator sports: bittul zman, bittul Torah, moshav leitzim, etc., plus the fact that the Olympics descend from (not are) avodah zorah. Plus the irony of their origin being Greek.

    #877221

    akuperma
    Participant

    How is the Olympics any different from all other sports events. In general the uniform is designed for optimal performance, and in some sports that means wearing as little as possible – however most events allow individuals to wear more. Some Muslim women occasionally try to compete in specially designed modest track suits.

    Among sports that tend to have relatively modest uniforms are baseball, softball, fencing, American and Canadian football (not and Olympic sport), all shooting sports, and all winter sports. On the other extreme there’s swimming.

    An exception to all rules is “Beach Volleyball” which is regular volleyball, but with a required “uniform” of a minimal bathsuit for female participants (males where respectable shorts and shirts). The female required uniform suggests that this should not realy be considered a “sport”.

    #877222

    takahmamash
    Participant

    People who post in the CR run into every sort of problem: bittul zman, bittul Torah, moshav leitzim, etc.

    #877223

    yissi
    Participant

    Where is your sense of loyalty?

    You should have Hakaros Hatov for the Olympics and for Sports in general. Because without sports, the Goyim would be spending their spare time KILLING JEWS!!!!

    Therefore by you participating, even in a spectator way, are saving thousands of Jewish lives!

    Something to think about.

    #877224

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Its no more bittul zman than the latest blog posting in the coffee room. Some people prefer professional basketball to blogging. Personally, plants vs zombies is my favorite form of bittul zman.

    #877225

    Sam2
    Participant

    Loyal Jew: I’m not sure what the Issur of descending from Avodah Zarah or irony is. Still, I agree with you that the others could be a problem if the person becomes too involved.

    #877226

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Spectator sports are NOT Assur.

    Now you might not go and your Rav might recommend that HASHKAFICALLY you shouldnt go, but HALACHAICLY is not assur

    #877227

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    Im sensing an olympic sized nudnik

    #877228

    Chulent
    Member

    It’s sickening how someone who considers himself frum could defend attending or watching a sport where the females are under-dressed and pritzusdik. Even if it were just a short-sleeve short she were wearing it would be strictly assur. But it is much much worse.

    #877229

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    dash: I meant the Olympic flame. I was afraid some olympic size nudnik (thanks CTRL ALT Del) would jump on me with a misapplication of lo yishm’un al picha.

    #877230

    Sam2
    Participant

    Chulent: There is a difference between Pritzus-dik and Assur for a Jew to watch. You can’t really say that a Goy, who does not have the same Halachos of Tznius, is a Prutzah for wearing a short-sleeved shirt that doesn’t reach the elbows.

    #877231

    yichusdik
    Participant

    No doubt we’d all be better off spiritually and physically sitting down to an Olympic sized Cholent and fressing. Sport? Exercise? Feh.

    Seriously, though, I agree with the OP that there are too many scantily clad women running around (literally!) at the summer Olympics. That’s why I like the Winter Olympics (except for figure skating (double Feh!!). At least everyone is all bundled up, and you can’t tell a Frank from a Francine.

    No, really seriously. I’m disgusted by the movement – from founder Avery Brundage’s antisemitism, to their kowtowing to Adolf Hitler (YSHvZ), to their lax security at Munich, and their ongoing refusal to offer even a minute to honour the murdered Israeli athletes. Add to that the pritzus, and beyond the issurim, it is feeding into a culture of commercialism and personality, that isn’t healthy for anyone, let alone frum Yidden.

    Finally, there is so much more to do in London in the summer that frum people can appreciate and enjoy, and the community of Golders Green is so welcoming (5 shabbes dinner invitations 30 seconds after walking into the shteeble friday night many years ago when I was there). It would be a shame to waste one’s time there watching events that could be seen on (gasp!) the telly if one was so inclined, rather than all else London has to offer.

    #877232

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Sam,

    I don’t know about that. I would say that if a shiksa wears a short sleeved shirt, it means she does not have the proper sensitivity for tznius.

    #877233

    Chulent
    Member

    Sam, popa is correct. But in any event, we all agree that a Jew is prohibited from watching a woman even in a short-sleeved shirt. Let alone the far far worse female attire that the Olympics is infamous for.

    #877234

    Sam2
    Participant

    PBA: Really? Even in the middle of the summer where society expects here to wear much less? She’s definitely Tzanua by the standard expectations of her society, which is all you can really expect, isn’t it?

    #877235

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    What we can expect is a very different question. I don’t presume to know what G-d expects, and it is logical that there is less of a tayna on a woman who grew up in america versus a woman who grew up frum (or maybe moslem).

    But, that doesn’t mean what they are doing is not inherently wrong, and doesn’t mean that a person who had a neutral perspective would not be able t realize it.

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