May 29, 2012 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #603603
The Olympics are one of the largest purveyors of pritzus. The entire operation, from the disgustingly immodest attire of their athletes to everything surrounding the event. How one earth can anyone be advertising “kosher accommodations” (sic) for this horrible event of pritzus?!?! Where is the shame!! It’s bad enough someone might consider attending this pritzus, but to publicly advertise accommodating their aveira-filled ways??May 29, 2012 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #877207musser zogerParticipant
No tv, no newspapers, no magazines, filtreed internet…how in the world do you know anything about the Olympics??May 29, 2012 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #877208
Chulent: Iwould assume the men’s events aren’t Pritzus-dig, are they?May 29, 2012 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #877209GeshmakManParticipant
As long as you “need” the internet for work and the advertisement is on a “Frum” website, there’s “nothing wrong with it”. 🙂May 29, 2012 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #877210
I admit the short shorts worn by the NBA players 35 years ago made me a bit uncomfortable, (ok, I’m lying) but with todays long and baggy shorts, no problems there. I will be following the US kick everyones rear ends in basketball.May 29, 2012 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #877211oomisParticipant
The events are not pritzus. The manner of dress might be less than our concept of tznius, and the idea of the Olympics, going back to the “gymnasion” of the Greeks, speaks to things that were very negative in our history, but you have no chiyuv to watch it.May 29, 2012 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #877212
“The manner of dress might be less than our concept of tznius”
Even if that would be the extent of the problem, that alone makes it strictly forbidden to attend or watch such events.May 29, 2012 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #877213Loyal JewMember
Chulent is spot on. Any level of involvement in this descendent of Greek avodah zorah is assur.May 29, 2012 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #877214
Basketball is a descendent of greek avoda zara? Live and learn.May 30, 2012 12:37 am at 12:37 am #877216ItcheSrulikMember
apy: Not basketball, the torch relay. Of course even that is stretching the definition of the issur as none of the people involved actually believe in it.May 30, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #877217dash™Participant
Not basketball, the torch relay.
The torch relay was a Nazi innovation. The Olympic flame decends from Avoda Zara.May 30, 2012 3:58 am at 3:58 am #877218
Dash: Which probably makes it only Chukas Hagoyim, which isn’t Assur for Goyim to do. The flame probably doesn’t have anyone believe in anything Avodah Zarah related having to do with it anymore.May 30, 2012 4:09 am at 4:09 am #877219yehudayonaParticipant
They wear clothes. That’s a step up from the Greek olympics.May 30, 2012 6:37 am at 6:37 am #877220Loyal JewMember
People who follow the Olympics run into every problem in spectator sports: bittul zman, bittul Torah, moshav leitzim, etc., plus the fact that the Olympics descend from (not are) avodah zorah. Plus the irony of their origin being Greek.May 30, 2012 8:33 am at 8:33 am #877221akupermaParticipant
How is the Olympics any different from all other sports events. In general the uniform is designed for optimal performance, and in some sports that means wearing as little as possible – however most events allow individuals to wear more. Some Muslim women occasionally try to compete in specially designed modest track suits.
Among sports that tend to have relatively modest uniforms are baseball, softball, fencing, American and Canadian football (not and Olympic sport), all shooting sports, and all winter sports. On the other extreme there’s swimming.
An exception to all rules is “Beach Volleyball” which is regular volleyball, but with a required “uniform” of a minimal bathsuit for female participants (males where respectable shorts and shirts). The female required uniform suggests that this should not realy be considered a “sport”.May 30, 2012 9:01 am at 9:01 am #877222takahmamashParticipant
People who post in the CR run into every sort of problem: bittul zman, bittul Torah, moshav leitzim, etc.May 30, 2012 10:41 am at 10:41 am #877223yissiParticipant
Where is your sense of loyalty?
You should have Hakaros Hatov for the Olympics and for Sports in general. Because without sports, the Goyim would be spending their spare time KILLING JEWS!!!!
Therefore by you participating, even in a spectator way, are saving thousands of Jewish lives!
Something to think about.May 30, 2012 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #877224
Its no more bittul zman than the latest blog posting in the coffee room. Some people prefer professional basketball to blogging. Personally, plants vs zombies is my favorite form of bittul zman.May 30, 2012 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #877225
Loyal Jew: I’m not sure what the Issur of descending from Avodah Zarah or irony is. Still, I agree with you that the others could be a problem if the person becomes too involved.May 30, 2012 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #877226zahavasdadParticipant
Spectator sports are NOT Assur.
Now you might not go and your Rav might recommend that HASHKAFICALLY you shouldnt go, but HALACHAICLY is not assurMay 30, 2012 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #877227Ctrl Alt DelParticipant
Im sensing an olympic sized nudnikMay 30, 2012 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #877228
It’s sickening how someone who considers himself frum could defend attending or watching a sport where the females are under-dressed and pritzusdik. Even if it were just a short-sleeve short she were wearing it would be strictly assur. But it is much much worse.May 30, 2012 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #877229ItcheSrulikMember
dash: I meant the Olympic flame. I was afraid some olympic size nudnik (thanks CTRL ALT Del) would jump on me with a misapplication of lo yishm’un al picha.May 30, 2012 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #877230
Chulent: There is a difference between Pritzus-dik and Assur for a Jew to watch. You can’t really say that a Goy, who does not have the same Halachos of Tznius, is a Prutzah for wearing a short-sleeved shirt that doesn’t reach the elbows.May 30, 2012 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #877231yichusdikParticipant
No doubt we’d all be better off spiritually and physically sitting down to an Olympic sized Cholent and fressing. Sport? Exercise? Feh.
Seriously, though, I agree with the OP that there are too many scantily clad women running around (literally!) at the summer Olympics. That’s why I like the Winter Olympics (except for figure skating (double Feh!!). At least everyone is all bundled up, and you can’t tell a Frank from a Francine.
No, really seriously. I’m disgusted by the movement – from founder Avery Brundage’s antisemitism, to their kowtowing to Adolf Hitler (YSHvZ), to their lax security at Munich, and their ongoing refusal to offer even a minute to honour the murdered Israeli athletes. Add to that the pritzus, and beyond the issurim, it is feeding into a culture of commercialism and personality, that isn’t healthy for anyone, let alone frum Yidden.
Finally, there is so much more to do in London in the summer that frum people can appreciate and enjoy, and the community of Golders Green is so welcoming (5 shabbes dinner invitations 30 seconds after walking into the shteeble friday night many years ago when I was there). It would be a shame to waste one’s time there watching events that could be seen on (gasp!) the telly if one was so inclined, rather than all else London has to offer.May 30, 2012 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #877232popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I don’t know about that. I would say that if a shiksa wears a short sleeved shirt, it means she does not have the proper sensitivity for tznius.May 30, 2012 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #877233
Sam, popa is correct. But in any event, we all agree that a Jew is prohibited from watching a woman even in a short-sleeved shirt. Let alone the far far worse female attire that the Olympics is infamous for.May 30, 2012 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #877234
PBA: Really? Even in the middle of the summer where society expects here to wear much less? She’s definitely Tzanua by the standard expectations of her society, which is all you can really expect, isn’t it?May 31, 2012 12:37 am at 12:37 am #877235popa_bar_abbaParticipant
What we can expect is a very different question. I don’t presume to know what G-d expects, and it is logical that there is less of a tayna on a woman who grew up in america versus a woman who grew up frum (or maybe moslem).
But, that doesn’t mean what they are doing is not inherently wrong, and doesn’t mean that a person who had a neutral perspective would not be able t realize it.
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