June 25, 2012 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #603885The FrumguyParticipant
Does anyone know the mekor of the minhag I notice of many frum men with long-sleeve white shirts and the buttons on the sleeves are left open? Please cite your Ha’aros.June 25, 2012 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #880829WolfishMusingsParticipant
In my case, I’m afraid it’s far more a case of laziness than of a minhag.
I prefer short sleeves and so, when I have a long sleeve shirt, I’ll often roll it up my sleeve. Sometimes, it comes back down and I will either have not noticed it yet or have been too lazy to roll it back up.
The WolfJune 25, 2012 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #880830oomisParticipant
REALLY? I have never noticed that anywhere. Maybe it makes it easier to put on tefillin in the morning.June 25, 2012 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #880831squeakParticipant
In the 1800s buttons were very expensive and it would be considered showing off to have buttons on sleeves, where they are not needed. Even those who could afford it didnt flaunt this, shelo l’haashiro es boniv. The rabbonim of the shtetls wrote a joint letter to the mechaber asking him to add this to shulcha aruch, which he did in YD siman 404. But very good question.
BTW, now you know the source for “404 error”June 25, 2012 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #880832ZeesKiteParticipant
To some it may make it a “place not usually covered”. Some have that “inyan” to expressly expose that part, so as not to necessitate washing one’s hand when touching that body part. – that’s what I heard.June 26, 2012 1:43 am at 1:43 am #880833lesschumrasParticipant
Do people stay up late making this stuff up?June 26, 2012 1:54 am at 1:54 am #880834Doodle-Man™Member
lesschumras: People or trolls?June 26, 2012 3:37 am at 3:37 am #880835chofetzchaimMember
I once saw the Rosh Yeshiva ZTL from Chofetz Chaim put on tfilin and noticed that he buttoned his sleeve after putting them on.June 26, 2012 3:45 am at 3:45 am #880836mexipalParticipant
it’s because goyim close the buttons so it’s probably chukos hagoy. furtheremore in the early 1500’s there was a cult of apikursim known as the sogrimchultzosim who’s symbol was a closed sleeve button. all the gedolim were mesaken to open all your shirt buttons. then someone was meorrer that there is a lack of tznius to open all your shirt buttons so only sleeve buttons were left open.
in all seriousnes people just want to give posters here something to talk about.June 26, 2012 3:59 am at 3:59 am #880837dunnoMember
My brother does this and it always irked me. Since he knows my screen name…why don’t you enlighten us as to why you do it??June 26, 2012 4:30 am at 4:30 am #880838popa_bar_abbaParticipant
My brother does this and it always irked me. Since he knows my screen name…why don’t you enlighten us as to why you do it??
Because my arms are too muscular to close them.June 26, 2012 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #880839dunnoMember
Now I know for a fact you’re not my brother.June 26, 2012 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #880840ItcheSrulikMember
Lol. That applies to almost every comment on this thread but mostly popa’s.
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