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did anyone ever take these classes? were they hard? were they fun? how would you integrate it into the Torah to try making it a good learning experience?
I took a and p 2
Is either of you thinking about being an aircraft mechanic,
or do I need to do more Googling?
Sparkly – I took A & P. But they say organic chemistry is very hard.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is A&P?
Happygirlygirl- You’re in college? I thought you just graduated from high school?
Anatomy and physiology
29 – thanks!
A&P is a bankrupt supermarket chain. They owned Pathmark and Waldbaums.
That too.
I just took Orgo I,II. It was a challenging course. I haven’t yet taken A&P but from what I understand Orgo is more difficult. A lot depends on the teacher so make sure to do your research!
Atlantic and pacific tea company. They make corpses for premed students to study.
If organic chem is not a required course avoid it. Its brutally difficult and super technical. If you did well with Aand P 1 and you are looking toward health science go for AandP 2. Its stimulating and doable. Its by all means not any easy class.good luck!
Sparkly -“did you enjoy it?”
Yes, especially when I got up in the class and denounced the Supreme Court’s ruling on why you can have abortions!
I guess, that the government has the right to change the definition of when life begins!
Youngest daughter is doing a BSRN.
A&P is a very difficult course. Her college did not require college Biology as a prerequisite. All of her friend taking a BSRN in our state Universities were required to take college Bio first and it made A&P much easier for them
She had no problem with Organic Chem, it was all math and memorization…
BTW….she as no intention as working as a nurse, she will follow the family tradition and go to law school. BUT, she and the next older sibling have decided they want to open a division of the family firm to deal with Personal Injury and Medical Malpractice (areas of the law we do not currently handle) and this would be a good background for her.
I never wanted to practice in that area of law and when I discouraged it, daughter reminded me that my maternal great-grandfather was an ambulance chaser back between 1900- and 1914 for a Manhattan law firm. Then it was a lawful profession and lucrative as well.
Sparkly -“Health – in front of a room full of goyim?”
Nope, the teacher was Jewish!!!
In the place that I went to they said that you can take a and p 2 first because it was completely different body systems ….and I started in the summer but I left for certain reasons and changed my college plans to a different college and only nught college once a week
Sparkly -“Health – probably not religious tho? so you need to make a kiddush Hashem”
That’s your mistake! Pointing out that the SCOTUS decision regarding abortion was based on PC and not science or religion is a Kiddush Hashem!!!
“Pointing out that the SCOTUS decision regarding abortion was based on PC and not science or religion is a Kiddush Hashem!!!”
While there is plenty to criticize the reasoning in that decision, the definition of the beginning of life is something on which religions differ and also something for which science does not have a clear answer.
“and also something for which science does not have a clear answer.”
Of course not. It is a legal/religious question not a scientific one.
I can’t say all details of my life u know….to be bluntly honest I said so much about myself that if u dont know me by now ur probably never gonna know me
Charlie & Ubiq -“and also something for which science does not have a clear answer.”
“Of course not. It is a legal/religious question not a scientific one.”
Your Liberalism has affected your thought processes!
“That’s why I got up in the class and denounced the Supreme Court’s ruling on why you can have abortions!”
Because we learnt life begins with fertilization!
Back to OP- I took both. If you like science, they are enjoyable classes, yes even fun. It’s great to understand how things work. I don’t see how they can be directly integrated into Torah, but like all science courses, the more you learn about how complex the world is, how perfect and complex is the human body, for example, the more it leads you to think about the Awesomeness of the Borei, and appreciate the b’ria. unlike some who think science is apikorsus, I think it depends how you look at it- if you are an atheist/non-believer, then you can use science to advance your theories of a G-dless world, and your interpretations of how you observe the world will follow your beliefs. However, if you believe in G-d who created the world, then everything you learn in science just re-inforces this belief. even evolutionary theory can lead you to believe in Creation- when you see how improbable it is for all those mutations to occur in just the right combination at just the right time to make even small changes within a species, then the only conclusion is that there must be a borei.
“She had no problem with Organic Chem, it was all math and memorization…”
I disagree with CT’s comment here- as far as I remember, Gen Chem is much more math based than orgo, and A&P involves much more memorization than Orgo.
Orgo needs logic and lots of brain power- if you understand the concepts and how to apply them, you can do well. Concepts in A&P are easier, I think, but you need to learn lots of terms, definitions, you need to be organized and have a good memory for detail. Personally, I found the skills needed for Orgo easier than A&P, but that is just my personality.
Sparkly- I wanted to graduate and get my degree. Otherwise there would have been no point going to college
I’m a science person but I didn’t absolutely need these classes for my major. That’s about as personal as I am going to get in my answer.
Who said I took them randomly? I just said I didn’t need them for my major. And why avoid things that you enjoy just because they might be hard? Anyway, as I finished my studies long ago, it is a mute point.
ctrl+F >> “boring” >> 1 found >> “why is organic chemistry boring?”
No one used the word “boring” in this thread other than you.
Oh. Maybe you get bored because you don’t like it.
It’s been a long time since I took these courses, but out of all the premed courses I found orgo to be the worst by far. I agree that if you don’t need it don’t take it. Orgo 2 was the worst because it is simply memorizing organic formulas, almost like being forced to memorize the cookbook that you will always have available, so what’s the point? Pretty much how I felt about a lot of courses. Can someone explain to me why every bio and bio chem course requires memorizing the Krebs cycle? What’s the point ?!
mentch1
“Can someone explain to me why every bio and bio chem course requires memorizing the Krebs cycle? What’s the point ?!”
three med school admissions officers all said the same thing “To separate the men from the boys”
ubiquitin
If that was the emes they wouldn’t require it in med school, but biochem and the krebs cycle is something you need to redo in med school and on the boards
What they really mean is “we had to do it, so you do to”
which is unfortunate, and a huge waste of time. Time that can be spent learning things that actually have relevance to the profession
“but biochem and the krebs cycle is something you need to redo in med school and on the boards”
You don’t need it on the boards, but you do need it for step 1 (unless thats what you meant by boards) but your point stands, After Step 1 it never comes up again ever.
I do think you are right about the “we had to do it, so you do to” attitude
Mentch1 -“Time that can be spent learning things that actually have relevance to the profession”
That’s not the problem with med professionals! They could learn much more and still be incompetent!
The ones that I’ve dealt with, is because they just don’t care!
My relative used to be an Organic Chemist
if you live in Baltimore ,you could contact him
Wouldn’t it be cool if someone in Philadelphia could contact someone in Baltimore. Any engineers here want to figure out a way to do that?
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