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  • #1795462
    reis
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    Anyone live in or have any information on available options for a Chassidish family to move out of town?
    What are the benefits? Disadvantages?
    By out of town I mean out of NY/NJ area.

    #1795761
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Boston (Bostoner rebbe)

    I think in boca

    #1795787
    Joseph
    Participant

    The following towns outside the NY Metro area have a Chasidic community:

    Bloomingburg, NY
    Sullivan County, NY
    Baltimore, MD
    Jersey City, NJ
    Union City, NJ
    Los Angeles, CA
    Montreal, QC

    #1795832
    Gadolhadorah
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    I would add Cleveland and possibly Chicago to the list….it all depends on what you mean by a Chassidish comunity.. There are rebbeles all over the U.S. who dress in chassidish lvush and give themselves a title (e.g. the South Beach Rebbe”) but its not what I think the oP has in mind. Likewise, there are enclaves of established chassidus living in towns distant from their rebbe.

    #1795835
    zahavasdad
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    Antwerp

    #1795890
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Staten Island Willowbrook area has become chasidish recently.

    #1795881
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “By out of town I mean out of NY/NJ area..””

    I stretched it a bit to include Cleveland (where there are small green sprouts of chassidus in a desert of Litvish hashkafah). It also has the Browns, Indians and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
    Antwerp is WOOT (Waaaaay out of town).

    #1795884
    Ng76b3c
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    Toronto ontario

    #1795883
    Ng76b3c
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    Boisbriand Quebec

    #1795925
    BaltimoreMaven
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    Baltimore is the closest and most developed Chassidishe community 3-4 hour drive from the New York metropolitan area. 4+ Chassidishe Shula. Men’s Mikvaos. Chassidishe Cheder, Kollel and Girls School. Chassidishe Shechita, poskim and Rabbonim, etc.

    #1795916
    Alizgitt
    Participant

    If you mean Chassidish communities that ALSO have at least one chassidish school the list gets a lot smaller.

    #1795902
    bobbydaboy
    Participant

    detroit just got a chasidish kollel.

    #1795956
    BaltimoreMaven
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    Baltimore has Rabbi Eichenstein, Rabbi Taubs shul, Goldbergers, Sternhills, Hertzbergs and the Chassidishe Kollel. The Kollel has 31 Avreichim. Did I mention it’s drivable to and from Baltimore same day (unlike Chicago, Detroit or anywhere else)? Strong Eruv everyone holds of. And we had measles cases too so you know it’s Chassidish.

    #1795958
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Baltimoe Mayven neglected to mention that there have been reports of itelligent life with a Litvish hashkafah in Baltoimore as well.

    #1795968
    yehudayona
    Participant

    Baltimore? “No human being would want to live there.” (D.J. Trump, not to be confused with any rappers named D.J.)

    #1795983
    BaltimoreMaven
    Participant

    The vast majority of Baltimore is Litvish / Yeshivish. BH everyone gets along very nicely. Ir HaShalom. Who cares what the President says – he says all sorts of crazy things.

    #1795996
    Yadleyad
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    Los Angeles has a large chassidish kollel as well as the LA Chedee which is chassidish (rabbeim teach in Yiddish) and all the other benefits as well. And get along very nicely with other groups. Plus the weather!

    #1795997
    Yadleyad
    Participant

    Cheder*

    #1795987
    ah ha
    Participant

    The Baltimore Jewish community is known to have the most well rounded, level headed, extremely sweet people. The community genuinely cares for each other. Also, Baltimore isn’t exactly “out of town”, we have tons and tons of shuls and restaurants! There’s a brand new chassidish community that recently moved in and they’re the nicest people. Anybody that talks badly about Baltimore clearly hasn’t been to Baltimore or met anyone from there. They’re one of the most genuine communities in the entire country.

    Trump was referring to downtown Baltimore, not the Jewish community (Pikesville).

    Minor repair-29

    #1796080
    Yserbius123
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    How Chassidish are you?

    Are you OK with a Nusach Sefard shul where the Rov wears a streimel, throws apples on Shmini Atzeres, and speaks Yiddish but there are perhaps only two or three bekishes in the whole shul? Or do you need a full-on Rebbe with Chassidim following every word, cheder, Yeshiva, girls school, zilber schtock, and tisches and all that?

    Since we’re discussing Baltimore, there are several shuls that fit the first description. The second description is something you don’t really find outside of NY/NJ with the exception of Tosh in Motreal. Even Baltimore has a “Chassidishe Kollel” but there’s no Rebbe and it’s socially isolated from the rest of the frum community.

    #1796163
    meir G
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    linden nj has 60 families / mt kisco in white plains area / kasho town in bedford hills / and even a pupa town – but your q is very vague and there are so many variables beginning on WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE OUT? a chasidish family has to have a major reason or reasons to live ir hakodesh metro area

    #1798256
    Mammele
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    Joseph mentioned Sullivan county, but to be specific Monticello has a fledgling Chasidish community and R’ Yoely Roth (Breslov) is establishing a community in Liberty, NY. Visnitz has a “shtetl” in Kiamesha Lake, NY otherwise known as Gibbers.

    The Catskills mountains have great potential as there is a lot of Jewish infrastructure.

    #1798264
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Meir: Perhaps better to frame your question as to why a frum yid with a young family would want to STAY in the NYC metro area.

    #1798288
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    To add to GH,

    Especially with taxes through the wazoo

    Crime rising especially anti Semitic crime

    Decriminalization of Crimea along with no bail

    You don’t even get school vouchers

    #2010754
    mb10
    Participant

    Chicago has about 30+ chassidishe families/2 chassidishe kollelim, Yiddish cheder and a handful of chassidishe Rabbonim.
    Upside of living out of town:
    Things are generally quieter.
    Less of a social pressure cooker ie life isn’t a constant race to wear/say/do the EXACT same thing as everyone else etc etc / much more room for individuality.

    #2010836
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    MB10: Not sure why you bumped this thread but a lot may have changed in 18 months of Covid. I would get get an update as to how well a community functioned, what type of instruction did the local yeshivos provide during period they were closed for in-person classes, did the community engage in the type of public health protocols you are comfortable with etc. Some old information may be dated. On the other hand, many felt that Covid increased their desire to relocate to areas with lower population density and more flexibility to raise a family in the event of a future public health crisis.

    #2010839
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    GH ?? What are talking about ??

    #2010866
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Syag: Fairly clear. I know several frum families (not Chassidsh) who decided to move out of the NYC metro area to more rural parts of NY/NJ/Conn during Covid. Also, some smaller yeshivos seemed to handle Covid better than larger ones and were able to maintain in-person instruction. Lots of tumult over the past 18 months that may or may not affect relocation decisions Nothing more profound.

    #2010873
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Syag: Also, there have been some significant price spikes in certain OOT locations over the past year or two. Ulster and Sullivan counties, for example up as much as 25 percent in a year but that may not be in local areas where the Chassidish enclaves are located. Conversely, Baltimore prices have remained fairly steady

    #2011546
    mb10
    Participant

    Another factor a chosid would consider is access to food items with heimish hashgachos.
    (In Chicago for example there are 3 supermarkets that sell everything heimishe hashgochos.)

    #2011557
    ujm
    Participant

    In the entire Chicago their are only three such groceries?

    #2011567
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I actually can only think of 2. But one of the main supermarkets has an extensive kosher section well stocked with fresh and packaged.

    #2011582
    mb10
    Participant

    3 most popular ones in Chicago are Jewel, Hungarian, and Kol tuv.

    (If you want you can also add the kosher section at Marianos.)

    #2011593
    mb10
    Participant

    Ujm: Yes these are the 3 supermarkets that the entire chicago shops at.
    But they are all very well stocked with heimish hasgocho items.

    #2011666
    ujm
    Participant

    Other choices:

    Manchester, England

    London, England

    #2011716
    mb10
    Participant

    Ujm: I think this discussion is about OOT in the US.

    I think another big question is about mosdos chasidishe parents would feel comfortable sending to.
    For example in staten Island I think people send into BP.
    In Baltimore there is a very small chasidishe mosed.
    Bloomingberg is satmar
    Union city is zanz.
    .In Chicago there’s veitzner cheder which is in Yiddish and people feel comfortable sending to, and girls go to the regular beis Yaakov.

    #2011831
    mb10
    Participant

    So is this tha final list?
    (Staten Island) NY:(
    (Linden) NJ:(
    Chicago
    Baltimore
    La
    Or are there more?

    #2011883
    Anan Sahadi
    Participant

    How did you guys leave out Passaic? There is a vibrant young hassidic and ultra orthodox community. I have many sources in Passaic that tell me there are good manners there.

    #2011892
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Last time I checked, Passaic would not be considered OOT by any definition, unless you are operating under a somewhat parochial assumption that the United States is an island off the coast of Brooklyn.

    #2011935
    ujm
    Participant

    I’m not aware of a Chasidish community in Passaic.

    #2011910
    mb10
    Participant

    Gadolhadorah: Not clear what you define as OOT.
    (Whats the difference between Passaic and Baltimore.)

    Anansahadi: Passaic? Good manners? Great! Chassidim? Really? Do you mean people with just a gartel? Or the type you would meet in BP?

    #2011949
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “Whats the difference between Passaic and Baltimore?”

    180 miles and 3.5 hours of driving time

    Passaic is roughly 20 miles (30-40 minutes driving time) from 770

    Baltimore is about 200 miles and 4 hours driving time from 770. I’d also guess that Baltimore is more like Lakewood in terms of Litvish versus Chassidish.

    #2011969
    mb10
    Participant

    Gadohadorah: So do you knock of Linden and staten Island?

    BTW There is also a small community in Indiana of about a dozen and a half Williamsburg families/anti vax common core. But that probably doesn’t count, as it is totally not an established community. Just living out there between the corn fields with no established mosed or other basic community infrastructure.

    #2011971
    mb10
    Participant

    So are we left with Chicago, Baltimore, LA?

    Funny that all three have a Chassidishe Kollel!
    (Chicago has two!)

    #2012267
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    MB10….Baltimore also has a Litvish kollel in case being m’gayer is an option

    #2012307
    mb10
    Participant

    Someone just opened a chassidishe kollel in Arizona too.

    #2012468
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    Another big question is what type of chassidus? Someone looking for a Satmar type might not like a Chabad community. There is a huge range when it comes to Chassidus.

    #2012484
    ujm
    Participant

    DaMoshe, most Chasiduses (other than Chanad) are pretty similar to each other. Give or take certain dress or minor minhagim differences.

    #2012651
    mb10
    Participant

    Totally agree with ujm.

    In Chicago you have all types of chassidish.
    Same in Baltimore/LA.
    Mix of Boro park Monsey Williamsburg.

    (Chabad is totally a brand of its own.)

    #2012654
    mb10
    Participant

    Obviously someone looking into Oot is probably not the boxed in type who must be totally surrounded by people who wear the exact same shoelace and even bought it at the same store .

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