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May 18, 2026 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #2550906ThinkingCapParticipant
About two months ago, while sitting in the bomb shelter waiting for the all-clear message, i had a conversation with a fellow Jew visiting Eretz Yisrael from the USA..
We discussed the current situation, both here and abroad, and he made the following comment:
“Here in Israel there is more danger. There in the USA there is more fear”
Here I know that I am at home, not a guest whose presence is dependent on the good will of my host. As long as the good will remains, we live with the illusion that it will.last forever, but historically it never has, It always weakens, and when that starts happening if we are perceptive we start to understand our vulnerability and we begin to fear for our safety and the safety of our loved ones despite our faith in the One Above, for deep down we know that the Exile of our people from our land was never meant to be permanent, and by living in the exile we have placed our fate in the good will of our Gentile hosts, which could quickly evaporate.
Here I may face enemies, wars, terrorism, missiles, and international hostility. But here we defend ourselves as a sovereign people in our soverign homeland, Here we are no longer a defenseless minority dependent on the mercy of our host nation. Here iwe have an army, intelligence services, and the capacity for self-defense. Here “the eyes of G-D are upon the land..” always. Here is the natural environment for the Jewish soul and the only place where Torah can be fulfilled in its entirety. Here we have not outsourced our fate to others.
The aftemath of October 7th saw an unexplainable eruption of anti-semitismn all over the world. Perhaps this is G-d’s way of waking up a nation that prays to return to Zion, faces Jerusalem in prayer, mourns its destruction, breaks a glass under the wedding canopy, and ends Yom Kippur and the Seder with the proclamation “Next year in Jerusalem” so that we not just “talk the talk” but “walk the walk”.
I therefore think it is very important that Rabbis and community leaders all over the world – without rxception – seriously begin to encourage Aliyah amongst their congregants and communities. Certainly there will be many for whom such a move will be too difficult, and no one should judge his fellow, but “words from the heart enter the heart”, and many will heed the call, especially the youth who have not yet “planted roots” – for it is much easier and less complicated for one who has not yet planted roots to make Aliyah then one who needs uproot himself.
The exile, even a golden, comfortable one, was never meant to be permanent, and all of the Jewish people will eventually return to Eretz Yisrael. To think and plan otherwise is not only to ignore this basic, universal Jewish belief, but it may be a dangerous bet whereby you prioritize your comfort to the point that you are willing to gamble your safety and the safety of your loved ones.
So why wait, especially if you can come now, for the longer you wait the more roots you plant and the harder it becomes to “uproot” yourself in the future?
May 19, 2026 9:49 am at 9:49 am #2551007sensibleyidParticipantI disagree with the premise of your argument. Jewish life in Israel is not guaranteed till moshiach. It wouldn’t break my faith if g-d forbid we were exiled again. I say this as a jew in Israel
May 19, 2026 9:49 am at 9:49 am #2551032doom777Participantyou are at home, but you are at the mercy of the owners of the land — the seculars, who own and control the State, and more or less tolerate you now, but may not in the future. Just like Americans or British more or less tolerate you now, but not in the future.
The evidence for my claim is the language the seculars use when the current religious/secular-right government came to power and thought about implementing a non-secular agenda — “�’� �’ו ל� ו את �”מ�”י� �””. They stole our State. Meaning that the seculars do not see the State as belonging to all Jews, but only to secular ones. It’s the same response UK right has toward Indian and Pakistan Members of Parliament — who are you to come into our nation and to rule over us?
Consider also the anti judicial reform protests. When there was a chance at breaking the secular rule over power by transferring power from embedded secular institutions — Attorney General and Supreme Court — to elected Knesset where any group can become the ruling coalition, the response was overwhelming. Not only grassroots — hundreds of thousands of protestors every single day, but also complete institutional sabotage including from the IDF.
It’s their State, they guard their ownership ferociously, and you are here at their mercy.
May 19, 2026 9:49 am at 9:49 am #2551033doom777Participantyou are at home, but you are at the mercy of the owners of the land — the seculars, who own and control the State, and more or less tolerate you now, but may not in the future. Just like Americans or British more or less tolerate you now, but not in the future.
The evidence for my claim is the language the seculars use when the current religious/secular-right government came to power and thought about implementing a non-secular agenda — “�’� �’ו ל� ו את �”מ�”י� �””. They stole our State. Meaning that the seculars do not see the State as belonging to all Jews, but only to secular ones. It’s the same response UK right has toward Indian and Pakistan Members of Parliament — who are you to come into our nation and to rule over us?
Consider also the anti judicial reform protests. When there was a chance at breaking the secular rule over power by transfering power from embedded secular institutions — Attorney General and Supreme Court — to elected Knesset where any group can become the ruling coalition, the response was overwhelming. Not only grassroots — hundreds of thousands of protestors every single day, but also complete institutional sabotage including from the IDF.
It’s their State, they guard their ownership ferociously, and you are here at their mercy.
May 19, 2026 10:14 am at 10:14 am #2551152echoParticipantIn Israel there is more fear in the USA there is more danger.
we jews are all coming to Israel. the only question is will we come willingly or will hashem have to shlep us there.
May 19, 2026 10:31 am at 10:31 am #2551169[email protected]ParticipantThe Ramban says in his peirish on Ki Suvo that Eretz Yisroel is the most dangerous place for Jews during exile, since we only have Divine guarantee not to be – chas v’shulem – destroyed when in Chitz L’Uretz.
This opening post is full of disgusting “koch v’oztem yudi”, highlighting the absurdity of the zionist lust for violent control and military domination, after the failures of the zionist state to protect its citizens on “Oct 7”, fools like the author of this opening post react with “see how much we all need to come and be protected by these heretics!”
May 19, 2026 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #2551188EvalimoshavloParticipantThinking Cap, dont let the naysayers talk you out if what you wrote! Every word is correct!! and True!! We are in a struggle here in EY for our true identity and the more frum Jews who come the faster we’ll win over. Most Jews In EY want to keep Torah and Mitzvos. There is a huge Hissorirus by the youth. There is an Erev rav that is trying its best to cause hatred and harm but Iy”H we will prevail. This is our home! Come home while you can still sell your property and businesses. Friends from France have told us that it hard to sell their real estate now because the goyim say, we know that you will eventually leave and then we’ll get it cheap. Every word you said is truth!! Israeli mentality reflects the Jews who come here. If American jews come the mentality will be Amenrican. If English jews come the mentality will be English and so on. Hashem is despeartly waiting for his children to come. You write –
I therefore think it is very important that Rabbis and community leaders all over the world – without rxception – seriously begin to encourage Aliyah amongst their congregants and communities.- and this is 100% correct. Communal Aliyah is so much easier than doing it on your own!! I dont have enough words to encourage you to trust your instincts. The naysayers are scared of change at best and agents of the erev rav at worst. לך �’כ�–ך �-�”.May 20, 2026 11:27 am at 11:27 am #2551473EvalimoshavloParticipantsomejewiknow, thats interesting. I’d like to look that up. What passuk is that on? It sounds like you may not have understood the Ramban so welI. If that was his shita then why oh why did he himself go on aliyah? Interesting that Hitler Yimach shemo was davka defeated at the entrance to EY.
May 20, 2026 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #2552116qwerty613ParticipantTo evalimoshavio
I recently heard that two Chassidishe gedolim, I forgot their names, went to daven at the kever of the Ohr Hachaim when Rommel was preparing to invade Israel and they got a sign from Shamayim that he wouldn’t be successful.
May 21, 2026 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #2552229Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantdoom > It’s their State, they guard their ownership ferociously, and you are here at their mercy.
well, there were simply not enough religious Jews at the knesset when the structure was set up. First, there was a wave of anti-religious sentiment going through the whole Jewish world at the time. Second, many European rabbis did not recommend going to EY at the time. 3rd, it was difficult to go there.
B’H, there are more religious Jews there now, bit if you are not a kibutz-raised BT who possibly met R Kook or a chabad shaliach, but someone who arrived from another country to an already developed medinah, you should start by respecting and acknowledging those who made it possible for you to come comfortably.
May 21, 2026 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #2552283ThinkingCapParticipantAs we approach Shavuot and re-experience the festival of G-d’s giving us His Torah, it is important to remember that G-d’s plan was to bring us afterwards into Eretz Yisrael from where His Divine Light would then light up the entire world and usher in Moshiach’s coming. Through the sin of the spies “bad mouthing” G-d’s holy land meant for us (Eretz Yisrael – the land of Yisrael) and our lack of faith in G-d’s promise we were delayed 40 years. Afterwards, through our continual misdeeds our Beit HaMikdash was eventually destroyed and we were exiled from our land. We came back after 40 years, built the second Beis HaMikdash and then later on – in the times of the Romans and as a result of due to causeless hatred – it too was destroyed and we were again exiled from our land.
For close to 2,000 years we were hounded, persecuted, and murdered – and prayed three times a day to return. Around 200 years ago, our people began to return to the land, resettle and rebuild it. Because the founders of the movement to resettle Eretz Yisrael were for the most part secular, many of the leaders of the Torah world were against the movement – known as Zionism (there were also ideological reasons against Zionism presented by the Rebbe of Satmar which his chassidim accepted and perhaps others too)
The Jew hatred of our 2000 year exile culminated in the Holocaust where a third of our people were systematically murdered in the cruelest and most horrifying ways. A few years later, the modern State of Israel, became a reality. At that time, all of the Gedolei Yisrael except the followers of the Rebbe of Satmar’s ideology changed their tune – either to help protect the Jews living in the newly established state and/or to influence the government in manners of Torah and Mitzvot – both practical reasons rooted in love of our people and common sense.
I did not think for a moment that this thread would influence the fanatical haters of Israel whom have already began to respond to this thread (with irrelevant posts) and whom I have found to be (on this site) unfortunately closed-minded individuals with an agenda they feel compelled to push.
My intention in opening this thread was born of the same practical reasons – love of our people and common sense.
Anti-semitism is on the rise globally. We have seen it raise its ugly head before and we know that it doesn’t respond to logic and that the Jew is always the scapegoat. Now it”s propelled by radical Islam, the radical left (who are already the defining face of the Democrat party), and the radical right.
G-d’s plan to bring us back to Eretz Yisrael may have been delayed, but it never changed. All of the Jewish people will eventually return to the land.
So i ask Why wait?and encourage all to start making plans to come and influence the youth for whom it will be much easier as they are not yet rooted down.
May we merit to Moshiach’s imminent arrival, the building of the 3rd Beit HaMikdash, and the entire world “with G-d’s knowledge as the water covers the sea”
Chag Samayach!
May 24, 2026 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #2552692JerusalemRParticipantdoom:
” the seculars, who own and control the State, ”
Before the recent exit of UTJ, more than 50% of the ruling coalition were Orthodox. There are also Masorti who are not secular. Overeach by the court and attorney general does not mean that the seculars still control the State exclusively.“you are here at their mercy.”
Exaggeration.May 24, 2026 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #2552697JerusalemRParticipantThis opening post is full of disgusting “koch v’oztem yudi”,
No it’s not. He wrote: “Here “the eyes of G-D are upon the land..” always.”I don’t think you know what “koch v’oztem yudi” means.
May 25, 2026 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #2553246IshpurimParticipantBoth the Gaon and the Chassidim have had a yearning to Eretz Yisrael. That Toyreh can not change and besides it is a mitzvah to live in Israel even as the Rambam says in. city that is …The Megila of Rus which most of us read deals with the issue of יציאת ארץ ישראל .There is a havtacha from the RB”SE that there will not be another exile as we say on Tisha Be’av.Why wasn’t Avram Avinu mekayem the mitzva of yishuv Ha’aretz before Hashem commanded him to go there is a good question but can be answered satisfactorily.
May 27, 2026 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #2554241EvalimoshavloParticipantIsnt it sad how few people even reacted to this post???? I think the most difficult Mitzva these days is Yishuv Eretz Yisroel. So much so that it’s just ignored! People don’t know how to handle it. So they either bring crooked pshat or just turn the other cheek and ignore it. So sad.
May 29, 2026 11:36 am at 11:36 am #2554886ThinkingCapParticipantI am not surprised.
I brought up a subject that contains degree of uncomfortability, and people tend to avoid participating in discussions that make them feel uncomfortable.
If someone has a nice life, a nice house, a nice job (ie. they’re quite “comfy”), they prefer not to address an issue that suggests giving that up, making an upheaval, etc…
It’s human nature.
On the other hand, intelligent people understand that is unwise to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality, as uncomfortable as that reality may be.
I say look the reality in the eye and look at history.
Understand that G-d’s Torah says that the exile will eventually come to an end and all Jews will move to Israel.
We all pray that this process should come about with Chessed and Rachamim, but history has shown that life for Jews in the exile, while there have been periods of pleasantness – it has never remained that way.
The sudden rise in anti-semitism all over the world – including the USA – since the murderous pogrom against the Jews in Israel on Oct 7, 2023 is a reality. It is an ominous sign that all Jews of all stripes and persuasions should take notice of and plan accordingly.
I don’t write these words lightly. I am not trying to be a harbinger of doom – Chas V’Shalom. I pray to G-d for the safety of all of our people everywhere, and pray that Moshiach should immediately redeem us and that it should all be with Chessed and Rachamim.
Yet I am very concerned – the reality is downright scary and we are not allowed to rely on miracles. It also concerns me that so few speak out. Our sages say “who is wise, ha’roeh et ha’nolad – he who sees and understand from what he sees how things normally progress”
May 30, 2026 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #2555044[email protected]Participant@ThinkingCap
The solution to any jew’s problem is tshiva and keeping the Torah, not whatever Zionist nonsense you keep spouting.
Jews reject your false moshiach like we’ve reject so many in the past.Moving to Eretz Yisroel is explicitly taught in Torah as NOT the solution to exile and NOT a solution to antisemitism.
All you are doing is pushing kefira that will not help out anyone.
May 31, 2026 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2555440SQUARE_ROOTParticipantSomeJewIKnow said:
“Moving to Eretz Yisroel is explicitly taught in Torah
as NOT the solution to exile
and NOT a solution to antisemitism.All you are doing is pushing kefira that will not help out anyone.”
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MY RESPONSE:“The Chazon Ish encouraged people from overseas
to settle in Eretz Yisrael as it is a positive commandment,
and he felt that Yiddishkeit was more prevalent
and easier to practice there than in the diaspora.”SOURCE: Rav Chaim: The Life and Legacy of the
Sar HaTorah Rav Shmaryahu Yosef Chaim Kanievsky
(chapter 5, page 56), by Naftali Weinberger,
Mesorah Publications, February 2023 CE,
ISBN-10: 1422632873 * ISBN-13: 978-1422632871
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If you doubt that this quote is accurate,
then I invite you to find a copy of the book I quoted,
and turn to the chapter and page that I quoted.__________________________________________
4 PERSONAL COMMENTS:[1] The Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA encouraged Jews
to make aliyah, even though Israel was ruled
by a Secular Zionist government, at that time![2] The Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA felt that Yiddishkeit
“was more prevalent” in Eretz Yisrael, in his times,
even though Israel was ruled by a Secular Zionists, at that time![3] The Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA felt that it was
“easier to practice” Yiddishkeit in Eretz Yisrael,
even though Israel was ruled by a Secular Zionists, at that time![4] The Secular Zionists in the time of the Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA
[the 1950s CE] were 100 times worse than the Secular Zionists in our time [the 2020s CE].May 31, 2026 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2555444SQUARE_ROOTParticipantSomeJewIKnow said this on 2026 May 30 at 10:31 PM:
“Moving to Eretz Yisroel is explicitly taught in Torah
as NOT the solution to exile
and NOT a solution to antisemitism.All you are doing is pushing kefira that will not help out anyone.”
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Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky ZTL ZYA said this:“In this land [Eretz Yisrael] … a carpenter is not merely a laborer,
but one fulfilling the mitzvah of building Eretz Yisrael.”SOURCE: Reb Yaakov: The Life and Times of HaGaon
Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky by Yonason Rosenblum,
based on the research of Rabbi Noson Kamenetsky (chapter 11, page 210),
Mesorah Publications, publication dates: February 1993 & January 2004,
ISBN: 0-89906-413-2 (hardcover)
ISBN: 0-89906-415-9 (paperback)__________________________________________
If you doubt that this quote is accurate,
then I invite you to find a copy of the book I quoted,
and turn to the chapter and page that I quoted.
__________________________________________June 1, 2026 9:45 am at 9:45 am #2555576[email protected]Participantno one you mentioned and no kosher rabbinic leader ever said that moving to eretz yisroel is a solution to exile generally or to antisemitism specifically. that heresy i breaks one of the 13 ikkarim, a false moshiach.
June 10, 2026 11:13 am at 11:13 am #2560503ThinkingCapParticipantYou miss the point entirely. This thread is about common sense. Antisemitism is on the rise. We have seen it before. We know how it grows and we have seen that that it has never ended well for our people, may the Al-mighty protect us!
Although that cursed nazi Goebbels, ימ”ש, constantly told lies about us, there was some truth when he supposedly said something like “the Jew only takes out an umbrella after it is pouring rain and he is drenched”
The point is to be smart and stay safe, not shortsighted and stupid. We know that the exile will end and all the Jews will return to Israel, but we don’t know when or how it will end. We pray for G-d’s kindness and mercy, but together with that we need to keep our eyes open and see what is going on around us. In my opinion, what is going on downright scary.
You Satmar’s (or whatever you are) try to turn every discussion into one about what you call “Zionist nonsense” and “kefira”. You may even have some sense of satisfaction when you hear the modern anti-Semites clothe their words in anti-Zionism language, as you may think that some way supports your own “anti-Zionist” agenda. If so, you are fools, for while you have an ideological stance based on the Satmar Rebbe זצ”ל (which is very extreme and unaccepted by mainstream observant Jewry, but that is a discussion for a different thread/post) the anti-Semites do not! They only espouse their antisemitism in the language of anti-Zionism because that language has become socially/politically acceptable while antisemitism (in most frameworks at least) has not. But make no mistake, just like the Nazis laughed and then murdered the secular/reform Jews in Germany who protested that they were “Germans”, so too the modern anti-Semites who clothe their words in anti-Zionism language actually hate the Jews and would do the same if they had the chance, G-d forbid – also to YOU!
And if you in addition actually support these modern anti-Semites in any way, shape, or form, then you are worse than fools – you are actually haters of and traitors to our people.
Back to the point, which is to be smart and stay safe, and not to be shortsighted or stupid.
We all believe and know that the exile will end and all the Jews will return to Israel, but we don’t know when or how it will end. We pray for G-d’s kindness and mercy, but together with that we need to keep our eyes open and see what is going on around us, and remember history. In my opinion, the reality of what is going on downright scary.
Antisemitism is on the rise all over the world. Each day brings more news of antisemitic political victories and attacks against Jews and Jewish institutions. The social media is full of antisemitism. IT’S GROWING! IT’S BECOMING LESS SAFE! IT’S SCARY! We are not allowed to rely on miracles. Our sages say “who is wise, ha’roeh et ha’nolad – he who sees and understand from what he sees how things normally progress”. We are all destined to come home to Eretz Yisrael. Why wait? If you are adults who cannot easily uproot – why not educate the youth to make their lives in Eretz Yisrael?
Be wise, not stupid.
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