November 20, 2011 6:18 am at 6:18 am #600674mischiefmakerMember
What’s the halacha of a half brother? Are you allowed to touch? sing? be untznius? how untznius? pajamas?November 20, 2011 6:35 am at 6:35 am #828766QTpie tra la la la laMember
absolutely NOT!!!! although I wonder if you could halachicly marry him…November 20, 2011 6:47 am at 6:47 am #828767SaysMeMember
How about a non-local OR? 🙂
There are lots of halacha phonelines, where you can call and ask anonymously.
Bais Hora’ah Of Lakewood 732 905-9992November 20, 2011 6:47 am at 6:47 am #828768
No, you cannot halachicly marry him. The torah says ?? ???? ?? ?? ???November 20, 2011 6:48 am at 6:48 am #828769
You may act as if he is your full brother.November 20, 2011 7:15 am at 7:15 am #828770
You may act as if he is your full brother.
Source?November 20, 2011 7:17 am at 7:17 am #828771QTpie tra la la la laMember
You may act as if he is your full brother.
BALONIE MACARONIE!!!! LIPA HELP me finish the song please??November 20, 2011 7:34 am at 7:34 am #828772Sam2Participant
The Halacha technically is that you can’t touch even a full sibling at all. For a few reasons discussed, most (maybe not most, but many) are Noheg that it’s okay. There is no reason for a half-sibling to any different than a real sibling in both regards.November 20, 2011 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #828773dvorakMember
Popa, you already gave the source. A half sibling is halachically the same as a full sibling- assur to marry, allowed to touch allowed to be in yichud. Now a STEP sibling is a different story.November 20, 2011 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #828774
My opinion is correct on a common sense level and requires no source.
As has been mentioned, there is no logic in distinguishing between full and half siblings. The poskim discuss how to behave with step-siblings who are not biologically related. The tendency is to treat them as if they were biological siblings in regards to yichud and normal family life . Hence it is obvious that half and full siblings can be misyached etc…
Certainly, though, biologically related siblings are arayos and may not have relations or ever marry.
For a full treatment of the issue, see Tzitz Eliezer Chelek 6, Siman 40, perek 20 and 21. A very comprehensive and lengthy source. Read it, please.
In summary, behave with your half sibling as you would with your full sibling.November 20, 2011 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #828775
Old man: Nice one.
You make up a halacha (which I happen to agree, is probably correct), then when asked for a source, instead of providing one, you say it is obvious and that I should read two huge pieces in the tzitz eliezer (how you picked that, I have no idea). But since you seem to pretend you’ve read it, why don’t you tell us which page? (you can specify an edition if you wish)November 20, 2011 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #828776flowersParticipant
Popa: though I can’t provide a source, I do know it’s 100% correct. A half sibling has same halachos as full sibling.
.November 20, 2011 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #828777rikki2Member
There is no shortage of credible ask the rabbi programs on line. The CR is the wrong place for this.November 20, 2011 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #828778seeallsidesParticipant
Please call a reputable rav with this type of a shayla – you don’t have to identify yourself and you will get a real psak – this is totally the wrong place for a psak din. If you don’t know who to call, i can ask the mods to give you some numbers.November 20, 2011 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #828779rikki2Member
If you have lived together for years and feel like brother and sister then it is a pure halachic issue. If you were raised in differnt homes and are not used to each other, it would seem appropriate to be tznius in front of him anyway.November 20, 2011 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #828780WIYMember
Not if you are only looking for a heter.November 20, 2011 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #828781mms601Participant
It will depend on if you grew up with him. It’s a case by case situation, there is no single rule.November 20, 2011 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #828782sof davarMember
QTpie – Perhaps you are confusing the terms “half-brother” and “step-brother”.
A half brother is a brother with who you share one parent. According to the Torah a real brother for almost every halacha.
A step-brother is someone with whom you share no parents and merely live together because one of your parents married one of his parents. This is not considered a brother and yes, they may get married.November 20, 2011 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #828783mischiefmakerMember
I’m not very comfortable calling a rav and therefore asking here. Is there a place online I can get an answer?
As sof davar said, a half and step brother are COMPLETELY different! I was wondering-are real brothers aloud to touch? Yichud? And no, I was not raised with him but am pretty close to him.November 20, 2011 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #828784
And in response to all the Coffee Roomaratzim, the fact that she is an ervah does not allow yichud.
For example, an eishes ish is also an ervah, and there is an issur yichud. And even if you mean ervah of shear basar, bas achoso is an ervah of shear basar and there is an issur yichud.
I have no idea what the halacha here is, but neither do you.November 20, 2011 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #828785ToiParticipant
cant.deal.with.self-proclaimed-ignorant-megaleh-ponim-poskim.November 20, 2011 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #828786oomisParticipant
Step-sibling does not = half-sibling. A Step-sibling is NO blood relation to you whatsoever. It might be that your parent (widowed or divorced)married someone who came to the new marriage with a child from a previous marriage. That child is not assur to marry, and I know frum people who have in fact married their step-siblings.
If however, your parent marries again and sires/bears a child with the new spouse, THAT child though a half-sibling, is certainly considered your full sibling in regards to erva, and would therefore be assur to marry. Some people might have a special sensitivity in the case where the step-siblings have been raised as siblings from a very young age, so that they are emotionally connected as brother/sister, even if they are not biologically related to each other. That is another issue, but still not technically assur should they want to marry.November 20, 2011 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #828787midwesternerParticipant
Love it!!!November 20, 2011 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #828788ZeesKiteParticipant
popa, that’s me, Coffee Roomaratz. Anyways what’s this about “bas achoso is an ervah of shear basar”? Could you elaborate for us uneducated masses?November 21, 2011 4:38 am at 4:38 am #828789
zeeskite: The forbidden relationships are sometimes divided into the ones that are because of familial relationship and the ones which aren’t. That is called shear basar. ??? ???.
The only time I have seen its relevance, is in the shittah of Rabbi Akiva who held that chayvei lavin were ?? ????? ??????.
That is, that some women who are assur to you, if you do kiddushin to them, the kiddushin does not work at all, but some, the kiddushin works and you are just still assur to them. There is a machlokes which issurim this applies to. We pasken that it applies to most chayvei krisus. (so like not nidda).
But, Rabbi Akiva held it applies even to chayvei lavin. There is a machlokes in the gemara exactly what Rabbi Akiva’s opinion was, and according to one opinion, it only applied to chayvei lavin d’shear. So not almana l’kohen gadol, but yes anusas aviv, if I recall correctly.
In any event, I have no reason to think it has any application to this halacha here, and I was just negating a possible silliness.November 21, 2011 5:52 am at 5:52 am #828790ZeesKiteParticipant
Rebbe Popa: So you’re saying (implying) that a bas achoso is called ??? ??? and is not permitted to marry? (Could it maybe actually be a mitzvah? ?????? ?? ?? ?????… ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??’ ???? ???? ????? ????)November 21, 2011 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #828791
Published by the author, Rabbi Eliezer Yehudah Waldenberg
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The good will has been used up. I will no longer respond to you.November 21, 2011 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #828792TheGoqParticipant
I Just want to thank everyone who posted in this thread i found it very interesting and somewhat informative we should have more threads like this.November 21, 2011 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #828793
Rebbe Popa: So you’re saying (implying) that a bas achoso is called ??? ??? and is not permitted to marry? (Could it maybe actually be a mitzvah? ?????? ?? ?? ?????… ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??’ ???? ???? ????? ????)
Thank you zeeskite. As you point out, I was making a mistake. bas achoso is not an ervah at all. Let’s switch to a different example, say bas ishto.
oldman: Thank you. And since you did post it, I will actually go read it.November 21, 2011 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #828794BTGuyParticipant
You really do have to ask your LOR. This is probably cut and dry once they know your ages and living arrangements. Or call this Bais Horaah: 908-670-1596. They are also well staffed and answer promptly, in my experience.
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