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Can anyone share stories of how the poretz treated the Yidden in the alte heim, and how the Yidden overcame the nisoyon?
Please forgive the ignorance, but who (or what) is the “poretz?”
The Wolf
(Yes, I know that “poretz” means “one who breaches,” but that doesn’t really help me with the question.)
wolf: a poretz was usually a jew hater who would rent out an inn to a yid and every year the yid would have to pay back money from what he made by selling schnapps and guests at inn and if not he would be thrown into dungeon and then killed with his family but Hsshem many times would send someone to rescue the yid this happened only in the alter heim
The poritz was the nobleman. They were the feudal landowners, the russian aristocracy. They often lived in France, since that was fashionable. They needed someone to run their estate and collect the rents, and would often hire a Jew.
This caused grief from both ends, as the landowners would be upset if the profits were not coming in, and the ???? hated them for collecting the money.
The Cossack rebellion of 1648 of was rebellion against these landowners, and was joined by the peasants. Naturally, the Jews were targeted, the landowners were largely not even there.
This isn’t with a poretz but it’s funny.
There was a sultan who called for a Jew and a Karaite to debate their religions. When they arrived at the palace they stopped at the door to remove their shoes. The Karaite removed his shoes, left them by the door and entered. The Jew removed his shoes picked them up and carried them in with him. When they entered the throne room and stood before the sultan the Jew was holding his shoes. The Karaite said to the sultan “Look at this Jew, he brings his shoes before the sultan, what disrespect!” The jew replied “There was a man in history who removed his shoes, It was Moshe Rabeinu. He removed his shoes when he went up onto Har Sinai and when he came back down they were gone because a Karaite had stolen them. I decided not to take the risk so I carried mine in.” The Karaite replied “This is nonsense, there were no Karaites back then.” With that the Jew said “Than how can you claim you were the ones the torah was given to?”
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Thanks for the clarification.
The Wolf
shkoiyach – great story.
I don’t know if they were usually Jew haters, but the stories are usually about the Jew haters.
HaleiVi; They (The “Pritzim”, plural for “Poritz”.) were not specifically Jew-haters, but money hungry. They needed tons of money to finance their ostentatious, depraved lifestyle. And their methods of enforcing payment were brutal. They could mete out any form of punishment (For non-payment of rent) and there was no one to stop them. Some of the stories that evolved around the “P’ritzim” and their Jewish tenants and managers are true. Others are fiction. But, they’re part of the folklore.
Jews weren’t allowed to own land so the made up stories about evil land owners. Christians weren’t allowed to lend with interest so they made up stories about evil bankers.
As the saying goes:
In a democracy your vote counts; in a feudal system it’s the other way around.
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dovid kaplan
No, Bezalel. Chritians killed Jews. Jews didn’t kill Christians. Learn your history.
This isn’t a Jews vs. Christians issue here. Its about an oppressed individual (or group of individuals) stereotyping an entire group based on the actions of a subset of that group. there were good and evil bankers just like there were good and evil land owners (you can say that about any profession).
Although I wasn’t there at the time I beleive Barnabas was killed by Jews as were others who attempted to convert Jews.
BS”D
Bezalel, your theory is no better than the work of David Irving. It also smacks of the work of the “new historians” in EY.
Jews were allowed only to rent land and were at the mercy of these pritzim. As soon as a Jewish inn started to become profitable, the pritzim would raise the rent and throw the innkeeper in jail, knowing his people would raise money for pidyon shevuim no matter how much it cost.
I actually know of a case here in Ukraine where a modern-day poritz (who today are called gangsters) bought off a judge and prosecutor and did just that to a Yid who had business dealings with him and had trouble because of the crisis. And yes, the money was raised to get the Yid out of prison after only three days of remand.
The pritzim also used the Jews to do their dirty work, which is what resulted in the Chmelnicki pogroms.
Killing someone who is out to convert Jews is a mitzvah, if your name is Pinchas haKohen. Yad leAchim handles it a bit differently today.
However, the only S Barnabas that I know indeed exists is an excellent hospital and burn centre in New Jersey that should be filled with all of our soinim.
The notzri legends are just that. We don’t even know for sure if yoshke existed, let alone who killed him.
I’m in the mood for some poretz stories.
Do you think any pritzim read this site?
no
lemme get this straight. All sn with “joseph” in the subtitle are you? i thought a mod with a bad sense of humor just randomly put them on people. Oh, and i thought the same mod gave a new guy the name “joseph” even though it wasnt the real joseph.
Not all of them are necessarily Joseph, but they were thought to be.
There was one a Poritz who accused his Moshke of being Joseph. Moshke was lost. He ran to his mod, who said he can’t help because he can’t undo what another mod did. So he went to the frog, who interceded on his behalf. Then, in middle of the night —
Sorry, got to go. Maybe I’ll finish another time if you’ll go to bed nicely.
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