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How does that sound to you?
I believe it’s officially THE President-Elect Donald J. Trump.
Looks and sounds just like Donald duck but he’s better then hillary
So what will his cabinet look like?
I imagine Christie will be Sect Transportation, because of his fondness for bridges.
Guliani Homeland Security or Attorney General
Any other suggestions for the President Elect Donald J Trump?
Newt is not gonna want to shlep all over the world.
Rumors are Sarah Palin as secretary of the interior. I literally have no idea how to react to that.
So far Trump has been reprising his character from “The Apprentice”, with a bit of “Archie Bunker” thrown in for effect – but I suspect he’ll be hiring some writers for “West Wing” now that he is changing roles.
Yeah, mods, that’s what I figured. You might consider revising the offending 3 words and actually posting a deep, meaningful question.
If you knew they were offensive, you shouldn’t have posted it. Repost it yourself in a way appropriate for a website called “Yeshiva World”.
Fair enough.
To the OP, it sounds challenging. I have had little regard for the President Elect since he was just a blowhard NYC developer and the fact that he doesn’t respect women, insults handicapped people, and wants to eliminate judges because of where their parents were born only cemented my estimation of him.
I thought he’d lose. I was wrong. A very wise person I know told me that more than being disappointed in the half of the voters who voted for trump, they were disappointed in themselves and the half who voted for Hilary for being so disconnected that they didn’t see the pain of those who voted for Trump. Very wise.
And in any case, he won, he’s the President, and he now has the opportunity he earned to do it right or not. It’s pointless to march and wail, and it disrespects the system that has preserved American democracy for so long.
I’m almost more disillusioned with the people here who supported him than I am with Trump himself. He didn’t grow up with the kedusha so many here have had in their lives.
This wise person also had one request of those – men specifically- who voted for Trump. sit down with your wives, your daughters, your mothers, your sisters, your grandmothers. Explain to them how you voted for a man who boasted of behaving disgustingly and assaulting women and feeling entitled to do it.
Tell the women in your life that you were comfortable enough with that to vote for him.
If you have the gumption to do so.
Now that Clinton is B”H out of the picture, wouldn’t it be cool if Trump steps down (he could blame it on Melania, that she prefers Trump Tower to the White House), and we get Pence for President?
Yeah, I know, wishful thinking, would never happen. But lots of people said the same thing about Trump winning…
It wasn’t Bill who was running – it was his wife.
Yichusdik, my wife voted for Trump.
We aren’t inviting him into our house, and we didn’t elect him to be role model in chief.
The question which should be foremost on our minds when choosing a politician is who will do a better job, furthering our interests.
@yichusdik, all of the women in my life(wife,mother,in law…) all voted for Trump. Yes, he’s said some crazy things but I’m sure if he knew he’d be running for president 20 years ago, he wouldn’t say those things. Also, they agree with his policies much more than hers.
Assuming you voted for Hillary, I want you to sit down your family and friends and explain to them how you voted for someone who has a picture with Arafat’s wife and took millions from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who would have a huge hand in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. Please also explain to them how she defended a man who raped a 12 yr old girl and how she forgave her husband for publicly humiliating her just so she can run for president one day.
We generally do, and did this time as well, but she made her decision long before I did.
” Bill ran for (and won) the office of the Presidency two times. That is what I asked about.”
I thought that was before those things were known about him.
yichusdik -“I’m almost more disillusioned with the people here who supported him than I am with Trump himself. He didn’t grow up with the kedusha so many here have had in their lives.”
Stop with your liberal hypocrisy!
You’re worried about my Kedusha? Worry about your own!
How did you support a candidacy that would welcome killing babies in the mother’s nine month?!?
Do you also believe Gays should be legally married in all of the USA, even though some States were very much against that?!?
IDK if Trump can reverse all the sickness that liberals have created, but he sure can try!!!
kfb
“how you voted for someone who has a picture with Arafat’s wife …”
I can use the same absolutely absurd excuse you gave for Trump
“I’m sure if she knew she’d be running for president 20 years ago, she wouldn’t have done those things”.
Seriously your answer is what confuses me about Trump supporters, you think it was one comment “20 years ago” wrong. IT is who he is throughout the campaign he continued to insult women, minorities, handicapped. IF you like DY believe that what ” should be foremost on our minds when choosing a politician is who will do a better job, furthering our interests.” Fine I get that you acknowledge his very serious flaws but believe his he will do a better job. I dotn think so, but now that he is elected, I sincerely hope I am wrong about that. But to dismiss his flaws as 20 years ago Trump, is simply denying reality and is what astounds me.
DY
You said
“The question which should be foremost on our minds when choosing a politician is who will do a better job, furthering our interests.”
Is there anything else that in your mind would disqualify him even if he would do a better job?
Say if he was caught making anti-semitic comments? If the allegations raised by the women were confirmed? If he admitted to the allegations? If he (as he put it) shot someone in Time square?
I mean this is a guy who admires Putin and Saddam Hussein, condones torture, downplayyed the iuse of chmeical weapons. IS there anything he could say/do to make you beleive that although he might “do a better job” you simply cannot vote for him
I wasn’t aware of that.
“DY, you and your wife don’t vote in sync with each other?”
Do you and your wife always vote the same? If she wanted to vote for s.o else, would you consider this to fall under the category of “Isha kesheira..” or would that never happen in the first place because she asks you who to vote for?
Not attacking, just curious because of your question to DY.
The time to criticize President-elect, or President, Trump, is when he does (or omits to do) something as president. That’s 2+ months away. And just to be clear, I think he is a fake, phony fraud, and ignorant beyond belief. And that’s his better (or should I say, least worst) qualities.
If we take women who accuse men of harassment and worse at their word, both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are criminals. They were both pals of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. It will be interesting to see how various court cases against Trump unfold.
I realized just how corrupt she is.
Not that he’s a whole lot better, but they’re bad in different ways.
Ubiquitin, some of those things would make him a really bad president for us, but given your scenario that he’s still the better one, that means the other is even worse, so the answer is still no.
DY
Is there anything that would be beyond the pale?
Perhaps. As it is, I seriously considered writing in popa_bar_abba as a protest vote.
But that might just be because I think his flaws might very well be a detriment to how he governs.
1) He needs to stay true to his promises. A Trump administration should seek to reopen criminal investigations against Clinton and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
2) Recommendations for whom should be in the Cabinet
Chris Christie needs to be kept out. He has too many issues of his own with BridgeGate.
Sheriff David Clarke would make a great Homeland Security Head.
Rudy Giuliani as Attorney General.
Professor Carol Swain should be czar of urban affairs, and the black pastors who endorsed Trump should be part of HUD. Very important for there to be black leadership against BLM. Darryl Glenn, who ran for Senate in CO as a Republican, should be part of this effort to turn around our urban communities, as Trump has promised. Diamond and Silk, and Omarosa should be in the administration, too.
John Bolton as Secretary of State
Treasury: Jeb Hensarling
The 300 economists who warned against a Hillary presidency should be tapped to be part of the “brain trust” of economic advisers
Rabbi Lookstein should be offered an advisory position, as should Rav Bleich, and the roshei yeshiva who told their talmidim to vote for Trump. This would be a nice inclusive gesture. Along with some Orthodox rabbinic leaders, we know Dov Greenblatt, Michael Cohen, and David Friedman will be in charge of Israel policy.
Press Secretary: Hope Hicks
Interior: Sarah Palin
Commerce: Carl Icahn
Labor: Victoria Lipnic
Surgeon General: Ben Carson
Defense: Jeff Sessions
VA: Michael Flynn
Chief of Staff: Kellyanne Conway
Islamic Affairs: M. Zuhdi Jasser and Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Huju -“And just to be clear, I think he is a fake, phony fraud, and ignorant beyond belief”
Any proof? Or you just believe the media?
After all, they were paid off from the DemonCrats!
Why don’t you and all the Clinton lovers’ move to an Islamic country, like France and Belgium?!?
After all, that’s what Clinton wanted to do here!
I’m sure they’d welcome you and other Jews with open arms!
To health: Last but definitely not least, you called me a Jew. Thank you. Second of all, I am not a Clinton lover. I voted for Bob Dole in 1996, and I think Hillary is a fake, phony fraud, but less so than the Donald. My nose is still sore from the holding I had to do when I voted for Hillary.
As for proof of Dopie Donnie’s ignorance: he thinks he can break the NATO treaty with impunity, and stiff America’s creditors the way he stiffed his own. And exactly how did he run up that billion dollar loss to “shelter” his taxes? Not by being smart. And 6 bankruptcies? And do you really think he’s worth the $10 billion he says he’s worth? He could easily prove it, with independent audits, but he refuses.
Are you the very same huju who posted this?
I have asked repeatedly for Obama critics to tell me why his presidency has failed, but I never get concrete, specific answers, just vague generalities and conclusory statements that he is horrible.”
and then this:
“And just to be clear, I think he (Trump) is a fake, phony fraud, and ignorant beyond belief. And that’s his better (or should I say, least worst) qualities.””
Just wanted to clarify – so, liberal Democrats can engage in name-calling amd mud-slinging but Republicans need to have their opinions backed by irrefutable evidence. This is classic liberal double-standard doublespeak.
The American people did not vote for Trump – he aint no saint – they voted against a corrupt mafia of politicians who, for their own self interests, chronically lied to and exploited them.
“Any proof?”
Lots and lots, and its concerning that you still dont know it. I understand those who in spite of Trump’s being “fake, phony fraud, and ignorant beyond belief” still view him as better than Hillary, I disagree wholeheartedly but I do understand. What I dont get are the people who still dont get it
Here is proof. I want to keep it short so I will post one example for each.
FAKE – Nobody knows his actual worth, all estimates indicate he is worth a lot less than he says he is
FRAUD – Trump University
IGNORANT BEYOND BELIEF – Here is but one example he said regarding Khzir Khan “has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution” IT is worrying that he will swear to uphold the constitution yet he never made it as far as the first amendment.
Im sure you wont like all of these example, yet they are all factual. And there are others.
Again yo ucan say that although he is a fraud, phony so is she and he is less of a fraud. But just know who you elected
@ubitiquin- That’s the thing, Hillary knew she was running for president since she was a little girl
Joseph – yes, I would have said the same thing about Bill Clinton.
Kfb, Health – I didn’t have the privilege of voting. I am neither a democrat supporter nor a fan of Hillary Clinton. Where I come from I have voted conservative in every election since 1991. But I felt she would have been better than him. We shall see. he won, he gets to prove us all right or wrong.
Health, I’ve actually gotten off of my chair and volunteered in seven elections for conservative candidates. Have you? If not, maybe that reluctance to actually do something for a conservative cause makes YOU a “liberal”.
If I had the vote and there was any other conservative/republican candidate than Trump, I would have voted for them. So, Health, you can throw around the word “liberal” as an insult at me or anyone else. It only reflects on your poor understanding of the political and linguistic antecedents of the word.
Kfb, I have a realistic expectation of politicians especially when it comes to Foreign policy. Its called Realpolitik and it is the foundation of understanding Political Science since the days of Bismarck. You should read up on it sometime. So I understand (but abhor) how someone could kiss Suha Arafat and take money for her foundation from Gulf states. I look to the bottom line of where her development and implementation of realistic policy was, and it was not objectively anti-Israel. It may not have been what an absolutist Israel supporter dreams of, but it compares well with many previous US administrations.
Health, it might help you to take a deep breath and actually read what is being written before responding. I wasn’t expressing concern for your kedusha. That’s your business. I simply said that all of the readers here had more of it in their lives than Trump, and so my expectations of them would be that they would reflect it more than him.
As for Gay marriage – I believe that the state ultimately protects the right and definition of religious marriage if it makes civil marriage defined and distinct. Frankly I don’t see that Judaism recognizes ANY marriage outside of our faith. of a man and a woman, a doorknob and a parakeet, or two people of the same gender. If it isn’t halachic it isn’t marriage. So as long as constitutional rights are maintained, call it what you want and don’t infringe on religious marriage.
Ubiq -“Im sure you wont like all of these example, yet they are all factual. And there are others.”
edited. Even though people take your insults with a grain of salt, I think it is wearing their patience thin. Either you edit, or we will have to
The point I was making to him was that after an election coming to post against the President -elect, your post can only be why he isn’t eligible to be President!
If there is any other reason, then you don’t believe in democracy!
yichusdik -“Kfb, Health – I didn’t have the privilege of voting. I am neither a democrat supporter nor a fan of Hillary Clinton. Where I come from I have voted conservative in every election since 1991. But I felt she would have been better than him.”
That’s what I was responding to! This is what I posted -“How did you support a candidacy that would welcome killing babies in the mother’s nine month?!?”
You still didn’t answer the question!
“Health, I’ve actually gotten off of my chair and volunteered in seven elections for conservative candidates. Have you? If not, maybe that reluctance to actually do something for a conservative cause makes YOU a “liberal”.”
“If I had the vote and there was any other conservative/republican candidate than Trump, I would have voted for them. So, Health, you can throw around the word “liberal” as an insult at me or anyone else. It only reflects on your poor understanding of the political and linguistic antecedents of the word.”
Stop with your double-talk! Anybody who supported the Democratic candidate is referred to as a Liberal! Stop living in a world long past!
“Health, it might help you to take a deep breath and actually read what is being written before responding. I wasn’t expressing concern for your kedusha”
I did and this is what I was responding to:
“I’m almost more disillusioned with the people here who supported him than I am with Trump himself.”
I’ll repeat – “How did you support a candidacy that would welcome killing babies in the mother’s nine month?!?”
You still didn’t answer the question!
Health
In sorry, I dont follow
Huju said “”And just to be clear, I think he is a fake, phony fraud, and ignorant beyond belief”
You replied with “Any proof?”
I provided proof
Nowhere did Huju say (nor did you indicate that he said ) that Trump isnt eligible to be President. If people want to elect a “fake phony fraud and ignorant beyond belief” candidate president that is their right. In fact I too voted for a fake phony fraud candidate as president though one that I believe is less of those things than the candidate who won.
Health, I’m not going to respond to your insults with more insults.
It’s pointless. You can refer to me as a headlight or a chestnut tree. That doesn’t change the meaning of the world. And its not double talk. it reflects a complex reality. maybe you don’t live in one. Most of us do.
You ask about supporting a candidate who supports killing babies in the ninth month. Just because Donald Trump and his allies framed the discussion that way (effectively so – they got many voters to see it in their well crafted frame too) doesn’t mean it is accurate. Take the point in the second or third debate where Trump lambasted Hilary for supporting abortion until the last day of a pregnancy. She should have called out his absurdity.
An OB/GYN friend of mine told me “yeah, right. last day. We call that a C section.”
Here’s the thing. according to an AP poll in December of 2015, 40% of Republicans are pro choice. 40%. According to you, that makes them liberals. but according to stats from the election, 88% of declared Republicans voted for Trump. I guess they are liberals too.
Here’s another thing. Most people, especially politicians, who are Pro choice aren’t “pro” abortion. That’s a frame effectively painted by the Pro Life advocates. I don’t think they see it as a “good” choice in almost all circumstances, but rather a decision government shouldn’t be making. I’m sorry if that thinking is too complex for you.
So, MY frame for MYSELF is that yes, considering all of the elements that go into support for one candidate or another, I’d live with a candidate who says the government should not be making the difficult decision, the individual should bear the responsibility. And for myself, I choose life on a personal level, while on a social, constitutional level, I oppose abortion in principle as a form of lazy birth control. I support it when the mother’s life is endangered (as we know halacha does) or it is not viable. I have to say I am agnostic about it when the child is the product of an assault on the mother.
Oh, and I see Health that you had no response about actually DOING something to support a conservative cause. Like working on a campaign. I’ve actually had the courage of my convictions, and done something about the political perspective I believe in aside from pontificating about “liberals” and “a world long past”. Maybe you should try it sometime so you actually achieve some credibility in talking with those who HAVE done so.
Ubiq- -“Nowhere did Huju say (nor did you indicate that he said ) that Trump isnt eligible to be President. If people want to elect a “fake phony fraud and ignorant beyond belief” candidate president that is their right. In fact I too voted for a fake phony fraud candidate as president though one that I believe is less of those things than the candidate who won.”
My point was – I probably posted it – but it was deleted!
I don’t care about your opinions of him, but this topic was about D. Trump the President elect.
Now my comments make sense:
“The point I was making to him was that after an election coming to post against the President -elect, your post can only be why he isn’t eligible to be President!
If there is any other reason, then you don’t believe in democracy!”
yichusdik -“You ask about supporting a candidate who supports killing babies in the ninth month. Just because Donald Trump and his allies framed the discussion that way (effectively so – they got many voters to see it in their well crafted frame too) doesn’t mean it is accurate. Take the point in the second or third debate where Trump lambasted Hilary for supporting abortion until the last day of a pregnancy. She should have called out his absurdity.”
I really have a hard time responding to your posts!
I think that somehow you were very mislead!
I watched some of the debates and I heard her say she believes in partial birth abortion even in the 9th month!
If you don’t know what that means – look it up or ask s/o!
Let’s imagine that some of the liberal doublespeak “allegations” (i.e., name-calling) applied to Clinton, as well. For example:
Fraud: the Clinton Foundation
Immorality: Monica (yes I’m aware that it involved Bill but she was an accomplice), late-term abortions
Phony: Kissing Suha and then saying there was a mis-translation
Fake: Bengazi, email scandal
But, then, all of this is really irrelevant because irrational people can rationalize any and all evil, e.g.,
“I have a realistic expectation of politicians especially when it comes to Foreign policy. Its called Realpolitik and it is the foundation of understanding Political Science since the days of Bismarck. You should read up on it sometime. So I understand (but abhor) how someone could kiss Suha Arafat and take money for her foundation from Gulf states. I look to the bottom line of where her development and implementation of realistic policy was, and it was not objectively anti-Israel”
I hope you take great pride in your tolerance for pay-for-play Palestinian-loving criminals – maybe you could extend that tolerance toward Health just a bit – after all, it’s not as though he’s rioting.
Dbrim -“I hope you take great pride in your tolerance for pay-for-play Palestinian-loving criminals – maybe you could extend that tolerance toward Health just a bit – after all, it’s not as though he’s rioting.”
Thank you!
Health
“My point was – I probably posted it – but it was deleted!”
sorry I cant reply to deleted posts ;-).
At any rate yoou asked for proof, and i deleivered (Free of charge)
“The point I was making to him was that after an election coming to post against the President -elect, your post can only be why he isn’t eligible to be President!
If there is any other reason, then you don’t believe in democracy!””
Take it Easy. I know Trump has openly said he hopes to limit the 1st amendment. However he isnt president yet, Huju can still say whatever he wants
dbrim
“Let’s imagine that some of the liberal doublespeak “allegations” (i.e., name-calling) applied to Clinton, as well. For example…”
no need to imagine. both I and Huju said those allegations (Im not sure wy they are in quotes when I backed them up with facts) do in fact apply to Clinton as well
to dbrim: Your criticism of my name-calling posts is valid. Sometimes I am lazy. Ubiquitin gave some excellent examples of facts that support my conclusory statements about the Donald. Thank you, ubiquitin.
My primary point in my comment was that the Donald has not done or omitted to do anything as president yet, and so we should all calm down and wait to see what he does. He was wise to meet with the current president and was, surprisingly to me, gracious about it. He also said something sensible about Obamacare, i.e., there are parts of it that should not be repealed, like allowing family policies to cover children up to age 26, and not allowing insurance carriers or HMO’s to exclude people because of existing conditions.
I am not optimistic about a Trump presidency, but I will hold my tongue, or pen, or keyboard, until there is something concrete to talk about.
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