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  • #1945880
    Yt
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    I have a relative who fainted a few days after getting the vaccine, he wasn’t allowed out of hospital for a few days, as the doctors wanted to monitor him. They said it’s probably because he drank a few shots of whiskey, and they have had similar people with that issue.
    Has anyone else had or heard of side effects of vaccines?
    Also why don’t you want to take the vaccine if you don’t trust them?

    #1945917
    Rif
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    Yt,
    “Also why don’t you want to take the vaccine if you don’t trust them?”

    Yeah if you don’t trust the vaccine, you don’t take it. What’s your question??

    #1945919
    Yt
    Participant

    As in what is your reason for not trusting?
    Also I’ve heard a further 2 people I know have fainted after getting the second dose

    #1946026
    Health
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    Yt – I just got a chain call. I live in Lakewood.
    They claim the Vaccines kill people and they listed a few cases.
    I think this Antivax Stuff is Just a Conspiracy Theory!

    #1946052
    Get educated
    Participant

    Sorry, no outside links

    #1946054
    musser zoger
    Participant

    All vaccines may have side effects. By all means trust an anonymous chain letter. I have had 2nd vaccine and am b”H fine. I had aches and chills for day. Just take Tylenol.

    #1946045
    Tristate Jew
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    I am not an antivaxxer at all. Its easy to write off anyone against the vaccine as anti-vax and conspiracy theorist and therby dismiss any concern about this vaccine. However, the vaccine is not FDA approved and is unlike any other previous vaccine. The makers of the vaccine do not even claim that it will prevent you from getting covid, or help not spread it. THe only claim they make is that the symptoms will be less severe. (It is more like gene therapy administered in a shot). If you speak to people in EY who deal with helping treat people with COVID, they will tell you that many people have had serious side effects, lost babies, and died from the vaccine, but the information is being hidden from you as there was fake information about HCQ. R’ Ovadya Yosef’s son came out recently NOT to take it(after originally advocating to take it) stating it causes problems with the heart and doctors are not able to stabilize the patients after taking the shot and having issues. People are also testing positive for COVID after the vaccine as is the case of one of the gedolim who passed away last week and got COVID 10 days after the vaccine. People who are getting COVID -like symptoms after the vaccine are not responding well to the standard treatments for COVID. IF YOU CAN WAIT, DON’T take the vaccine until there is a lot more accurate data. I have access to a lot of data because I am in touch with people who help with covid in other countries on an almost daily basis, and I unfortunately hear a lot of sad stories. Most people do not have access to real data unless they really try to find it. So ITS BEST TO WAIT.

    #1946089
    musser zoger
    Participant

    Tristate The US vaccines are definitely FDA approved. Why are you giving etza. If there are questions call a doctor…dont listen to some anonymous poster on the internet.

    #1946090

    Tristate, if you have so much info, could you please provide us with some numbers. Check with ALL, or a random sample, of people you know who got seriously sick recently, and then ask then whether they had a vaccine and when. Then, we can help you get estimates of how vaccine worked.

    B’ Ezrat Hashem., I think in about a month it will be possible to analyze Israeli statistics and see effects of vaccine.

    #1946105
    Amil Zola
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    I had my first moderna vax last week. No biggie, sore arm nothing unusual.

    #1946095
    sifsei chachamim
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    I have it on good source that there can be very very serious side effects from covid. Far worse than fainting.

    #1946108
    Gadolhadorah
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    I am all for open dialogue of public policy issues but at some point, these baseless anti covid vaccine postings are counter-productive, do nothing to further inform the tzibur and ultimately may threaten lives. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard than an RFK Jr. contending that Hank Aron died as a result of Covid Vaccination or that someone heard from an adom gadol that he knew a mashgiach who got very ill after being vaccinated as “essential personnel” in a schlachthois where he worked.

    #1946129
    Abba_S
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    According to today’s NY Post 2/8/2021 a 70 year old man took the vaccine at the Javits Center in NYC and upon leaving collapsed and died.

    #1946139
    refoelzeev
    Participant

    @TristateJew you can smell an unfounded conspiracy theory a mile away when someone says the words “but the information is being hidden from you”.

    Who is hiding it? Why would they? What do they have to gain? Why are you the only one blessed with the knowledge of the truth?

    The fact that you said the vaccine isn’t FDA approved proves you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your false information is dangerous and everyone should ignore it.

    #1946170
    Yt
    Participant

    “IF YOU CAN WAIT, DON’T take the vaccine until there is a lot more accurate data”

    I agree with you on that point but the question is, can we wait?

    #1946190
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Who is hiding it? Why would they? What do they have to gain? Why are you the only one blessed with the knowledge of the truth?

    “They” refers to public health officials and then the media.

    There are any numberof reasons to withhold information. Let’s put aside conspiracy theories; it’s clear that they don’t trust the public with certain pieces of information. In some cases, that’s justified, but the results are erosion of trust.

    Just look at the changing mask directives.

    They certainly would prefer people not know about those who suffered injury or illness from the vaccine, because people will get scared off.

    I’m no antivaxxer, but when I see Dr. Fauci lying to the American people, I can’t help but expect that cynics will think he (and others) are lying about things we haven’t yet caught on to.

    I think I would take the vaccine if I were able to and was in the vulnerable population. That’s because in balance, I think it’s worth it. I think the chances of dying of Covid-19 at this point is still greater than dying from the vaccine (despite great advances in treatment). But I think it is reasonable to be scared of a relatively untested (certainly long term) vaccine.

    #1946221

    >> “They” refers to public health officials

    Phase 3 trials were pretty transparent. Unless you suspect fraud, lots of numbers were in the reports. At this point, we have millions of people vaccinated in US, UK, Israel, EU. We don’t see all data yet, but I think we can presume if there were frequent complications, this will be known. South Africa, for example, stopped using AstraZenica, when it was shown less effective on their variant ….

    #1946232
    iama nonymous
    Participant

    If you don’t want to be vaccinated, then don’t. Vaccine demand exceeds supply. There’s not much that can be done for this pandemic. Mask, vaccine, theraputics, social distancing, isolation. Most people who contract Covid-19 will have a mild case. Some will wind up in the hospital, and some of those will die. The risk from vaccine is far less than the risk of contracting a severe case of Covid-19.

    I’ve had my second Moderna vaccine shot. Sore arm, some muscle ache, headache, mild chills. Easily recoverable. Far better than friends and relatives who’ve contracted Covid-19 ranging from 4 days of flu-like symptoms, hospital stays with lingering symptoms, and I know five people who have died from this disease.

    Better to get vaccinated than roll the dice. Of course, if you don’t want the vaccine, there are plenty of others who will gladly take your place in line.

    #1946249
    huju
    Participant

    Problems with Covid vaccinations is a topic for discussion among epidemiologists, physicians and similar experts, unless, of course, you want to hear yentas and kibbitzers offering bubbameintzers, in which case the YWN Coffee Room is the ideal place.

    And, Yt, what kind of fool drinks alcohol before any medical procedure, whether it’s an injection, a routine check-up, or surgery.

    #1946322
    Yt
    Participant

    Huju, firstly he’s not a fool.
    Secondly he drank alcohol a few days after the vaccine, there was no proof that alcohol could induce some negative side affects.
    This goes to show how much we don’t know.

    #1946362
    The little I know
    Participant

    When lay people begin generalizing upon specific incidents, we got a problem. I have heard some of these messages, and I am appalled at the extremes of stupidity involved. It is clear that the anonymity of the internet is an easy disguise for the conspiracy theorists to impact upon a community. And it is a disgrace that people who can fill stadiums for a Siyum Hashas, earn distinctions in Torah learning, and a host professions will blabble the baseless drivel about the vaccines.

    Not an expert in the medical field, I have my personal hesitations, but will take the vaccine soon. But there is no room in my conscience to suggest that there are problems with any of the vaccines, nor to advise against taking them. I would like to know the qualifications of the earlier commenters who are against the vaccines.

    #1946376
    ujm
    Participant

    TLIK, what are your personal hesitations?

    #1946391
    The little I know
    Participant

    ujm:

    I would like to see more study of the vaccine in its long term results. The research was promising, but no one can tell you that it is either good or bad for years down the road because that has not been observed yet. While I have apprehension, I will be getting vaccinated anyway.

    #1946396
    huju
    Participant

    To Yt: Sorry, I misread your post. I guess I’m the fool.

    #1946397
    ujm
    Participant

    TLIK, would you find it understandable others may choose to decline a covid-19 vaccination for the very reasons you outlined as your own hesitations?

    #1946411
    Health
    Participant

    Tristate -“However, the vaccine is not FDA approved and is unlike any other previous vaccine…
    I unfortunately hear a lot of sad stories…”

    I love the fact – every time there’s is an outbreak with a preventable disease, eg. Covid-19, Measles, Mumps, etc.,
    the Antivaxers come out of hiding!
    But you hear nothing/nada from these guys all the rest of the year.
    Nothing about Obesity or Smoking in the Frum communities!

    Why can’t they have a different Hobby?
    If they don’t smoke, light em up.
    If they’re skinny, learn how to pig out.

    #1946483
    mosheb5759
    Participant

    @tristate

    You’re shtickle about Rav Sheiner ztvkl is bichlal not a kashya. It is well established that in order to be well protected against corona you need to wait a week after receiving the SECOND SHOT. Rav Scheiner was infected a week after receiving only the first shot. It’s disgusting you’re trying to use him as a rayah for your sick conspiracy theories and fake news.

    #1946482
    mosheb5759
    Participant

    All you fake news spreaders, show me one case where a mother R”L lost a child due to the vaccine.

    The complications and risks of a corona pregnancy are worse than vaccine + pregnancy.

    #1946542
    Yt
    Participant

    Were there worries like our worries about the vaccine with other pandemics like Ebolas vaccine?

    #1946610
    Health
    Participant

    Mosheb -“Rav Scheiner was infected a week after receiving only the first shot. It’s disgusting you’re trying to use him as a rayah for your sick conspiracy theories and fake news.”

    Don’t bother telling these Antixaxxers the truth, because they aren’t interested.
    It doesn’t Jive with their “Real” Logic!

    #1946664
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @daas-yochid The “changing mask guidelines” is literally fake news. There was one Tweet, not even an official guideline, back in March of 2020 asking people to stop buying medical grade masks. After merely a few weeks, the CDC started recommending people wear masks when it was revealed that it prevents others from getting COVID. Since then the only “change” has been Fauci saying that two masks are recommended. If people like you would just stop whining and put the stupid piece of fabric over your stupid face this whole horrible situation may have been much less severe.
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    @zeev1234 (AKA @Yt) the problem with “everyone makes their own choice” is that it’s not your choice anymore than it is your choice whether or not to drive drunk. By not getting the vaccine, you may be putting others in far more danger.

    #1946696
    Yt
    Participant

    @yserbius123
    What’s your point stating my profile name?
    Also I am most likely going to take the vaccine, i want to know why lots of people are against them as well as putting it out there that there are still unknown side effects, we should all remain wary

    #1946898
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Yt I’m not sure if using your visible name links to your profile, so I went with both.

    Do you want to know why “lots of people are against them”? Same reason why lots of people are anti-Semites, or why lots of people think that the Earth is flat, or why lots of people think Joe Biden is a lizard in disguise. People get their information from less than legitimate sources and aren’t educated enough to know better to look for something a little more verifiable.

    Do you know what’s worse than the unknown side effects of the COVID-19 vaccines? COVID-19.

    #1947147
    Avi K
    Participant

    I reread the OP. Actually, it says “a few” shots. How many is a few?

    #1947146
    Avi K
    Participant

    Better to just faint than to get COVID-19. Besides, who told him to drink two shots of whiskey. I got both Pfizer shots. After the first my should ached a bit for a couple of days. After the second, nothing. In fact, only a minuscule percentage had any side effects.

    #1947246
    Yt
    Participant

    Avi K -A few shots means 2 or 3, also fainting isn’t the main point, it goes to show the unknown side effects

    #1947334
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr – “Joe Biden is a lizard in disguise”

    Don’t denigrate Lizards – they are Creations from Hashem!
    Biden has Bechira to keep the 7 Mitzvos, but he decided politics are more important than keeping them.
    Eg. – He’s for LBGT… Movement!

    #1947453
    charliehall
    Participant

    10 1/2 hours since I had my second vaccine dose. Absolutely no side effects yet other than a tiny bit of soreness in the arm where it was injected.

    #1947454
    charliehall
    Participant

    “We should hold ourselves to a higher standard than an RFK Jr.”

    RFK Jr. was finally banned from Instagram today for spreading vaccine lies. This and other frum sites have lower standards than Instagram.

    #1947488
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I didn’t realize banning people at will was a higher standard.

    #1947489
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    So it seems today the CDC made a statement that if you are vaccinated or had covid and it has been more than 2 weeks but less then three months, you don’t have to quarantine if exposed. This has got to be the dumbest, most counter productive statement yet. If taking the vaccine gives you only 10 weeks, why will anyone want to take it? They are so busy trying to restrict us that they are shooting themselves in the foot.

    #1947492
    Health
    Participant

    Syag -“This has got to be the dumbest, most counter productive statement yet.”
    That statement must have come from the Know It All in Chief Biden, even though he claims he doesn’t get involved with the CDC!

    #1947497
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    10 1/2 hours since I had my second vaccine dose. Absolutely no side effects yet other than a tiny bit of soreness in the arm where it was injected.

    Is that supposed to prove it’s safe?

    #1947522
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The “changing mask guidelines” is literally fake news. There was one Tweet

    Um, no. USA Today had an interview with Dr. Fauci where he repeatedly said not to wear a mask. I don’t have Twitter, and I remember very clearly that the CDC said not to wear mask.

    From Samuel Adler-Bell:

    “Then there was the mask fiasco. In February and March, Fauci, the World Health Organization, and the CDC all recommended against protective masks for non-symptomatic members of the public. Their line was: don’t bother. On February 19, Fauci told USA Today, “In the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask.” On March 8, as scientists estimated tens of thousands of undetected Covid cases in the US, Fauci told 60 Minutes, “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.” In the same interview, laying the foundation for a fog of disinformation that is still very much with us, Fauci suggested wearing a mask might actually increase the risk of contracting the virus, “Often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

    When the facts don’t agree with you, you make up your own instead?

    And apparently, mask wearing (maybe by cutting off your oxygen) has made you extremely rude. More likely it’s the emotional/psychological effect.

    #1947530
    Avi K
    Participant

    Syag, the vaccine gives you six months.

    #1947547
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “Syag, the vaccine gives you six months.”

    The CDC guidelines , per their site, give you 10 weeks. I am afraid this will be a terrible deterrent. They seem to be even more incompetent than we thought.

    #1947551
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Syag, the vaccine gives you six months.

    Who says?

    #1947556
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I am afraid this will be a terrible deterrent.

    Yeah.

    To compensate, they need to give out cholent.

    #1947561
    Meno
    Participant

    The CDC guidelines , per their site, give you 10 weeks. I am afraid this will be a terrible deterrent.

    It might be a deterrent for some, but the general exemption from quarantine will be an incentive for others. It’s hard to say what the net effect will be.

     

     

    #1947602
    Health
    Participant

    Syag -“The CDC guidelines , per their site, give you 10 weeks”

    That’s what it has been proven, but in reality it will last longer.
    I heard from one doc online – it will end up being like the Flu shot, once e/o gets the Original Vax.
    In other words, once a year.

    What happens with RNA viruses they mutate.
    That’s why you need a Flu shot every year.
    So all the naysayers that say I don’t take the Flu shot, this is different.
    Because the Flu is usually only dangerous for Immune weakened people.
    But e/o will need a Covid-19 shot, at least once a year.
    Covid-19 has been proven to cause complications in all Ages!

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