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  • #1947739
    charliehall
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    Now 58 hours and still nothing more than minor soreness in my arm.

    Everyone should get vaccinated as soon as eligible and vaccine is available. Do not be one of the people who proves Darwin right.

    #1947743
    charliehall
    Participant

    “Is that supposed to prove it’s safe?”

    No. The huge randomized clinical trials proved that the vaccines are safe.

    #1947744
    CTLAWYER
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    I had my first dose of Moderna Vaccine Friday at noon (CT opened to over 65 as of Thursday and I was able to get a choice of 12 time slots for Friday, with a confirmed 2nd dose Friday March 12 at noon.
    The location was a Walgreen’s Pharmacy 5 miles from my home.

    The pharmacist who administered the dose told me that three side affects are likely. My upper arm will be sore from about 4 hours after getting the shot and up to three days. It is sore, but not painful. I might develop a slight rash and should treat it with over the counter Cortisone cream. I didn’t get the rash and I might develop a slight headache approx 24 hours after the dose. I got a headache this afternoon, so I took a nap and it was gone.

    My 78 year old sister in law has had both doses with no side affects. My elder brother is getting the Pfizer vaccine tomorrow and we’ll compare our reactions. My 74 year old sister and her husband of same age are getting Moderna on Monday and we’ll also discuss after affects.

    I would say the soreness in my arm is about 3 times how I feel after my yearly flu shot. The needle seemed to go much deeper into the muscle and the pharmacist said it is bot longer and a wider diameter than he uses for the flu shots.

    #1947745
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    “Now 58 hours and still nothing more than minor soreness in my arm.”

    I’m not understanding your point. Do you see yourself as the icon of humanity so if you aren’t sick nobody will be? What exactly are you trying to say?
    My daughter got sick after her vaccine, so did many friends, does that mean people *shouldn’t * get vaccinated?

    #1947821
    Yt
    Participant

    Shaking and dizziness are a further vaccine possible side
    affect. I’m talking about the phizer, Astra zeneca

    #1947792
    Health
    Participant

    DaMoshe -“, but it did not get the usual approval”

    It has EUA approval. It takes a long time to get full approval.
    That’s the way Government agencies work.
    Very rarely it won’t get the Full Approval!
    Don’t fall in to all the conspiracy theories that are rampant!

    #1948140

    CtLawyer, am I reading you correctly – you got first vaccine and went to shul the next day?
    Even lawyers get emotional? You are not having any immunity until next shabbos.

    Not a scientific observation, but a common sense one, that might later be confirmed by an experiment: those, especially elderly, who had no side effects should be more careful as possibly their immune system is not responding well. Especially w/ Moderna, as they seem to have used a higher dose in Phase 3 to make sure they pass the criteria. A later antigen test would be another data point, although researchers warn of low reliability. Again, these ideas are not (yet, unfortunately) tested.

    #1948152
    charliehall
    Participant

    “Do you see yourself as the icon of humanity so if you aren’t sick nobody will be?”

    No, I am pointing out that although some people get sick as the result of the vaccine, many don’t.

    And in any case the sickess from the vaccine is nothing like getting COVID, which can kill you. There were ZERO deaths from COVID in the vaccinated groups in either the Pfizer or Moderna clinical trials. The 95% efficacy widely quoted is for getting sick at all. And the data from Israel are simillar. There has rarely been as spectacular a success in medicine so quickly.

    #1948156
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Then maybe it would be more effective to say so.

    #1948340
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Always
    My going to shul was coincidental with having my first shot. During the past week CT Governor Lamont relaxed indoor restrictions for religious services.
    Prior to this relaxation I stayed away from shul, as we have a minyan and sifrei torah at our home. My attendance after the easing of restrictions no longer might have kept someone out who did not have the availability of a private minyan.
    Social distancing was observed in shul. Only every 5th seat was available for use. Our family row has 12 seats and only three could be occupied, unless we lived in the same household and were exempt as a cohort.
    Again, so shul kiddush and gathering occurred in the vestry following minyan, all left the building promptly and headed home.

    #1948351
    mizmor
    Participant

    the vestry?

    #1948370
    Yserbius123
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    @daas-yochid So what you’re telling me is that Fauci changed his mind after being presented with evidence contrary to his opinion. If people on CR would be the same, we wouldn’t be having so many arguments.

    Masks work. Wear them.

    #1948452
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Mizmor
    Vestry is a room attached to the sanctuary where clergy put on vestments or robes before leading services.
    Here in New England many shuls were/are located in former church buildings. Since there was no need for a clergy robing room, the Vestry became the place for Kiddush. Luncheons dinners, etc, are held in the social hall,
    For those of us over 60 who grew up in those shuls based in former church buildings the word lingers on. My children heard their grandparents using the word, and may have even attended a service at suck a place and heard the announcement that Kiddush in the Vestry following davening is sponsored by XXXX.
    My grandchildren will not recognize the word and it will likely die out in 50 years.

    #1948508

    CtLawyer: thanks for claridying

    re:old strange shuls. There is a shul in CT that, out of good intentions, has the word “shalom” printed on the pavement. I was confused as this is one of the Hashem’s names, and walked around just in case. The regulars, of course, have no problems with that.

    #1948711
    jdf007
    Participant

    Why does a slow worker or bureaucracy equal safety? What they know now is what they will know next year. The technology has approved in the last 50 years. It is no longer 1970.

    But, I remember being on this board exactly one year ago yelling from every corner I can find that bad things are coming. On this board we had people claiming it was a flu. Why a flu? Why not any other random disease you have had? I hope some people at least heard me.

    DaasYochid talks about changing directives on mask usage. They never changed….in the rest of the world. This was never a debate and the science was settled over 1 year ago on this topic. The word is bigger than the CDC. Why did the CDC say no mask? Their website said you’re too stupid to know how to wear it, and that they don’t work, so give them to real doctors.
    At that moment, I ignored the CDC during the whole pandemic. There are some very smart people, who aren’t celebrities and don’t care about fame around the world that are doing a great job.
    Japan just approved the vaccine and will start tomorrow. They claim the Russians have a good one as well.

    Remember last spring? Half of the hospitals in most of America did not buy any additional equipment and ignored the coming threat. They were short of masks. Was there a mask shortage in Israel? Not to my understanding, they sourced around the world all that they could find.

    In other words, like they say out there in society, follow the evidence whereever it leads, be proactive not reactive, and follow winners and not losers.

    #1948828
    charliehall
    Participant

    “They claim the Russians have a good one as well.”

    Putin can’t be trusted on anything, but a large randomized clinical trial on the Sputnik V vaccine was done and results were published recently. Very low rates of serious adverse events and only 3 deaths out of over 16,000 vaccinated participants, none related to COVID. I would take the Sputnik V vaccine if that were the option given to me. It may be a very important tool to fighting COVID in poor countries as it doesn’t require freezing. (The same is true of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.)

    “Half of the hospitals in most of America did not buy any additional equipment and ignored the coming threat. They were short of masks.”

    One reason was that Jared Kushner HaRasha was having his goons steal them. He deserves some of the blame for the high rate of deaths in nursing homes.

    #1948830
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    @daas-yochid So what you’re telling me is that Fauci changed his mind after being presented with evidence contrary to his opinion.

    No, he lied

    #1948834
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    DaasYochid talks about changing directives on mask usage. They never changed….in the rest of the world.

    Read my post in context. I was giving an example of why there’s a lack of trust. Saying to trust other countries isn’t really going to help.

    #1948853
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    BTW, I got the vaccine (Moderna). Arm soreness and body aches for a couple of days.

    #1949211
    Yserbius123
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    @daas-yochid He lied about what? That masks are ineffective? Or that masks are effective? The guy made a public announcement that he made a mistake and after reviewing the evidence he’s changed his mind. Why would someone lie about that? And why wouldn’t you believe him?

    I think there’s a lot more truth to that statement then, say, the claim that masks can cause people to have potentially fatal breathing problems. The former is backed by documented evidence, the latter is a dangerous fabrication being pushed on social media.

    Masks work. Wear them.

    #1949281
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    @daas-yochid He lied about what?

    Probably when he said not to wear them. They’ve been wearing them in other countries for years during flu season.

    They weren’t suddenly mechadesh anything about masks.

    There’s still no hard evidence that it actually helps, but it probably does. Point is, he lost credibility. He left it wide open for the conspiracy theorist on social media to have their posts accepted. Also gave more credence to the anti vax theories

    #1949393
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @daas-yochid If you have a problem with the conspiracy theorists, then why are you playing into their hands? Just say “Masks work, please wear them” and stop caring about something someone once said and then retracted.

    #1949405
    The Real Truth
    Participant

    People have to know to stop following the main stream and start doing stuff on their own. could someone explain me how could they approve a vaccine in just a few months and give to millions of people and they dont
    know if its even going to work? plenty of people have died shortly after taking the covid vaccine make your own research you will find out.

    #1949413

    The world seemingly went mad. Maybe it is a long asymptomatic COVID or a separate virus that Chinese or Russians sent at the same time. For some reason, when the country/world needs to come together, everyone is reducing public health problems to political arguments.

    It is easy to see that most of them are wrong, as they all contradict each other. In US, wearing masks and closing businesses is considered liberal. In Israel, right-wing government tries to close and their lefty ‘partners” – to close. In US, some blame “lack of federal distribution” and say getting vaccine was easy. In Europe – many blame rigid centralized system for being behind US in getting vaccines. In Israel, being the highest vaccinated country in the world seemingly leads to yet another election…

    #1949438
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    >right-wing government tries to close<

    It didn’t just try, it literally closed down three times and that’s why covid barely effected us at all.
    Oh, wait, maybe it did…

    >In Israel, being the highest vaccinated country in the world seemingly leads to yet another election…<

    Correction:
    “Israel, being the most Israeli country in the world seemingly leads to yet another election..”

    #1949524

    MadeAliyah, my point is that we have different political parties claiming opposite things.

    It just can’t be that closings are a left-wing thing in US and a right-wing thing in Israel.

    It just can’t be that Trump’s pro-active approach to vaccine did not matter – and EU’s by-the-book approach failed because they were tardy.

    The simplest explanation is that politicians use situation to attack their opponents. Usual thing in a democracy, but an unseemly one during a public emergency.And we do not need to join that.

    #1949608
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    @Always_Ask_Questions

    >The simplest explanation is that politicians use situation to attack their opponents<

    You’re right about that. However right-wingers in Israel who hate government involvement, were very critical of Bibi’s Covid strategy, until the amazing vaccine rollout, after which all was forgiven. In fact if not for the vaccines Bibi would be packing his bags.
    So I do think that this is a right-versas-left thing but governments all over lost control of the virus and freaked out, ignoring their voters and ideology.

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