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  • #832664

    truthsharer
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    Rabbi Saks was not in the sanctuary of the church. If you look at the videos or pictures, he is off to the side, not in the actual sanctuary.

    #832665

    Obaminator
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    He was sitting next to the Bishops heading Britain’s Catholic and Orthodox Christian churches. It appears to be right in the sanctuary on the videos.

    Edit: Just checked the “seating plan”. He was seated in the “Stalls North” of the sanctuary together with representatives of other religions and the friends of William and Kate.

    #832666

    Feif Un
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    Obaminator, who are you to decide who’s a gadol and who isn’t?

    #832667

    Obaminator
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    Correction: The name of the section in the sanctuary where he sat is called “South Nave” (not Stalls North – which is a nearby section) and it was right behind the church choir. It was right in front of the General Congregation and across from Prince Charles’ guests. And it most certainly is right in the sanctuary of the Collegiate Church of St Peter at Westminster.

    Feif: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rating-gedolim

    #832668

    Feif Un
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    So basically, you decided that you have the right to rank people. Others disagreed with you. I think I’m going to rank you. I rate you just above Ahmadinejad and just below Al Sharpton in the “Raving Lunatic” ranks.

    #832669

    gezuntheit
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    How do you know Rav Schachter is a MO godol, unless you ranked him above other MO rabbis?

    #832670

    Feif Un
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    So this past Shabbos I read a piece in his sefer that amazed me. I will write it here, but I want to see people’s reactions before I write one last item. It doesn’t change the vort at all, but might change how people perceive it. This isn’t the whole piece, just a small part of it.

    He questions how Yaakov could trick his father. He says it wasn’t really Yaakov, it was Rivka who pushed him. So why would Rivka do it? He gives a few possible reasons – either Rivka did not feel Eisav deserved the brachos because of his lifestyle, or because she was told while pregnant that the younger brother would rule over the older brother.

    Whatever the reason, Rivka obviously had valid reasons. So the question is, why didn’t she share them with her husband? Did they not communicate? Why didn’t Yitzchok know what she thought?

    He gives an answer that Rivka and Yitzchak’s marriage was not like the marriage of Avraham and Sarah, who shared things as equals. The posuk says that when Rivkah first saw Yitzchok, he appeared as a majestic figure who awed her. She was intimidated! For her entire marriage, she was intimidated by her husband, and she was nervous to tell him of her feelings when he obviously did not feel the same. She was scared of how he’d react, and didn’t trust her own feelings against those of someone she felt was way above her.

    This idea of Rivkah being scared of her husband shocked me. What do you think? As I said, after I hear some reactions, I will post something that might change your view.

    #832671

    Toi
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    mc- whats a gaint?

    feif-there is a concept of knowing who is a gadol by who klal yisrael seems to pick as their gedolim. giving someone a title doesnt mean klal yisrael chose him.

    #832672

    Feif Un
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    Toi, and by “Klal Yisrael” you mean chareidim, right?

    Here I posted a dvar Torah, and the only response I get is this?

    #832673

    littleapple
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    Toi I agree that is part of the definition of gadol but it is also not impossible for an appointed person like a chief Rabbi to be or become (or c’v fall from being a gadol).

    #832675

    Toi
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    feif- just jokes. figured i had to throw you something youd expect.

    #832676

    kgh5771
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    Feif Un – I haven’t read Rav Sacks book, but I am sure he was quoting the NeTzI”V (Ha’amek Davar). The NeTzI”V presents the same idea when Rivka first saw Yitzchak and “fell off” the camel.

    #832677

    littleapple
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    Yasher coach kgh I was thinking the same thing but wasn’t confident enough to write it.

    #832678

    Feif Un
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    That is correct! When I told the vort over, they said, “How can he say such a thing???” Then I told them it wasn’t him, it was the Netziv who had said it.

    #832679

    squeak
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    To say that over in the name of R Sacks is as stupid as saying it over on the name of Feif Un.

    Littleapple – ROFL. I guess you are intimidated by Feif’s greatness as well?

    #832680

    Feif un:

    I also love the Rabbi’s stuff. His ideas have more and depth and maturity of thought then any contemporary I’ve seen.

    I really enjoyed his analysis in C & C Noah 5769. It starts like this:

    “Between the creation of the universe and the call to Abraham the Torah tells four stories: Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Noah and the generation of the flood, and the tower of Babel. Is there any connection between these stories? Are they there merely because they happened? Or is there a deeper underlying logic? As we will see, there is.”

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