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August 26, 2025 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #2441724HaKatanParticipant
yb: The Zionists’ tremendous weakness in logic is very clear indeed.
Since you asked:
1] specifying exactly which country will take over – the nations can figure that out
2] what that country plans to do when threats arise to the yidden – this is silly; what would you do if there are threats to Jews in Zimbabwe, for example? The government there would have to deal with it. Same in the holy land, with whichever government takes over from the Zionists.
3] how many dead soldiers are they are willing to absorb before they will withdraw – zero, of course – it should be totally peaceful and bloodless, of course.
4] what the situation will be after their withdrawal … – a normal and secure country unlike the Zionist paradise which is forever at war and takes billions of dollars a year to maintain that sorry state and “State”.
August 26, 2025 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #2441725HaKatanParticipantChaim:
Let’s try one more time.
You keep mentioning your stories and ignoring the gedolim and our mesorah. That’s your problem. The Brisker Rav published, and the Gerrer Rebbe and others signed on, that “Religious Zionist” education – including “hesder” that you decided is “holy” – is a “sea of heresy mixed in with a drop of Torah”. Others like the Chazon Ish and the Brisker Rav held and stated the same. The gedolim maintained that view going forward, of course. Your stories are not answers. As mentioned, there were people in 1948 who were fooled by the Zionist idol but later came around to the gedolim’s view and realized that they were wrong. There is no reason to speak badly of them for having erred.August 28, 2025 11:51 am at 11:51 am #2442384yankel berelParticipantyb: The Zionists’ tremendous weakness in logic is very clear indeed.
Since you asked:
1] specifying exactly which country will take over – the nations can figure that out
2] what that country plans to do when threats arise to the yidden – this is silly; what would you do if there are threats to Jews in Zimbabwe, for example? The government there would have to deal with it. Same in the holy land, with whichever government takes over from the Zionists.
3] how many dead soldiers are they are willing to absorb before they will withdraw – zero, of course – it should be totally peaceful and bloodless, of course.
4] what the situation will be after their withdrawal … – a normal and secure country unlike the Zionist paradise which is forever at war and takes billions of dollars a year to maintain that sorry state and “State”.
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the above are the ‘pearls’ from the one pretending to worry about the Jews .
Read his words – he takes ZERO responsibility ….
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scandalous ….
.August 29, 2025 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #2443131yankel berelParticipantWhy does katan give the impression to be totally indifferent to the lot of the yehudim after his dismantlement of the state ?
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Is that really part of his shitah ???
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.October 29, 2025 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #2464680SQUARE_ROOTParticipantRabbi Moshe Sherer (born 1921 CE, died 1998 CE) was the President of Agudath Israel.
He was very close the many Gedolim and tzaddikim for more than half-a-century.
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from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 13, page 321:“He [Rabbi Moshe Sherer] assured [Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin…
that he could always count on Agudath Israel of America
to be strongly supportive of Israel’s security needs.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 1st quote of 4, which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!NOTE: This conversation occurred in, or close to, year 1975 CE.
Yitzhak Rabin was Prime Minister from June 1974 to June 1977 CE.
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 15, page 356:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer responded at length.
He pointed out that the opposition to religious umbrella groups
did not preclude Jews joining together on issues as
Israel’s security or combating anti-Semitism.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 2nd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 545:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer’s summary of a confidential
June 17, 1970 [CE] meeting with Israel’s
Ambassador to Washington Yitzchak Rabin
reflects his lifelong approach to Israel’s security needs.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 3rd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 546:The offer of political support Rabbi Sherer made
to Yitzchak Rabin was one he would repeat
on many occasions to Israeli leaders.In a 1981 [CE] letter to Israeli Ambassador Ephraim Efron,
for instance, he described Agudath Israel’s grassroots
constituency as a “reservoir of manpower which is
totally committed to the safety and security of Israel.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 4th quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
__________________________________________Fanatical anti-Zionists will never listen to this,
because they foolishly believe that they know
the will of the Gedolim better than the leaders of Agudath Israel.
THEY DO NOT!!November 2, 2025 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm #2466731commonsaychelParticipantR Moshe Sherer was committed to finding shidduchim for fat girls and short boys
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