Rabbi Moshe Sherer and the modern State of Israel

I do not understand this whole hullabaloo

did the mo’etsete of aguda in 1937 agree to the Peel proposal of establishment of 2 states in palestine ?

or not ?

are the members of this mo’etset lay leaders or torah leaders ?

did those sages have in their gemarot the section about the oaths or did they never hear of the oaths ?

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common sense rabotai

instead of idiotic automatic and robotic repeated recital of the same distortions again and again ….

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@yankel-berel

I asked chat GPT your question:


did the mo’etsete of aguda in 1937 agree to the Peel proposal of establishment of 2 states in palestine ?


and the answer it gave:


No, the **Mo’etzet Gedolei HaTorah of Agudat Yisrael** (Council of Torah Sages of Aguda) **did not agree** to the **Peel Commission proposal** in 1937.

So, to summarize:
**No**, the **Mo’etzet Gedolei HaTorah of Aguda** did **not agree** to the Peel Commission's proposal in 1937.


Now, I obviously don’t trust chatgpt without evidence, so let me ask you if you know of any sources that would support the claim that Agudah endorsed the “2-state” recommendation of the Peel Commission?

Now we know the source of the lie, thanks to hadopi. The lie comes from the Zionist Orthodox Union magazine, only quoting a Zionist Rabbi of Israel, according to what was published in the Zionist publication Techumin, published by the Zionist Yisrael Rosen, who was the head of the Zionist/MO Zomet Institute and was a politician in the party of Naftali Bennet (the guy who is married to a secular woman and who teamed up with Yair Lapid of the anti-Torah, anti-Orthodox, Yesh Atid) and teamed up with an Arab party, HaBayit HaYehudi.

And there is no other source for this false quote, exactly because it is… false.

GadolHadofi, thanks for an interesting article. There is a link at the bottom of the article that also describes views of R Zevin and R Frank. Of course, all of these need to be balanced to the anti-state views that are alluded in the articles but not described in detail.

But I think sincere confusion comes from the fact that for some posters, those quotes are totally unfamiliar. Their sincere reaction is to deny that these quoutes exist because – unfortunately – the seforim they read did not contain them. I am not sure whether they’ll try to verify those or just deny.

@ ujm
Right only religious zionists lie , you don’t lie? How dare you call it a lie ? Why because you can’t admit others held it was an aschlata dgeula. You can’t lie about public statements. R isser zalman said this in public .

Not that I need further proof but you think it’s coincidence that his son became head of hesder
You think it’s coinicidemce that he was close to R kook ?

There is only one liar . And I won’t stand for your bullying just because you can’t bring yourself to admit the hard truth. No I say the truth . And the ou is more honest than you as was rabbi Herzog I will continue to say R isser zalmam held this way

@SQUARE_ROOT
Yes all jews have chezkas kashrus. On top of that the OU is someone who we all eat their food. Moreover, Noone denies R Herzog said this over. Now granted R Herzog was as religous zionist as they come. Does anyone know how much he was moser nefesh to save jews during the holocuast? And how much torah he knew. I don’t know that even the Stamar reba would call him a liar. I am sure he held he was misguided and had wrong hashkofos but a lair?

Furthermore, there is what we’d call a raglim ldvor. R Meltzer son became head of hesder and R isser zalman was very close to R Kook zl. All of this is facts.

When it doesn’t fit someone’s narrative they decide to bully and call us a lair

Chaim: He did not say it in public. You have only one source from a Zionist magazine quoting a Zionist Rabbi, because no other sources exist.

@somejewiknow
If R Desller wrote it it isn’t kefira. End of story. i am not as smart as you and don’t have every gotcha answer . i cant twist every response to the 3 shavous to disprove you. But we go with simple emuna of gedloim who said things via a mesora. if R desller , R isser zalman, and other said its an aschlta degulah then thats what it is. R wolfson zl said it was “shevri kelim” instead of moshiach and the 6- day war was a nes. I go with my mesora dn you can go with yours. but don’t call the other a kofer. And I am not interested in your lomdeshai drei kup sources or your theories about whether someone is a gadol. Or wheher it being said over vs wirtten in a sefer mattersa. Thats all just dering akup nonsense. We have our mesora for our rebbes and thats enough for judiasm

P.S. calling it “our state” seems extreme even for me. But aschlta degulah or shveri kelim has a mesora from many.