November 9, 2023 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #2238492GoldilocksParticipant
Does anyone know anything about the rally in Washington next week?
Is anyone organizing transportation to/from the event from Rockland County?November 9, 2023 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #2238511
The Jewish Federation of Rockland County is chartering buses for those who want to attend the Rally. You can RSVP on the federation websiteNovember 9, 2023 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #2238515
It’s a waste of time.November 9, 2023 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #2238520
Interesting to see how many unemployed / underemployed people there are.November 10, 2023 6:04 am at 6:04 am #2238536mommamia22Participant
It is so sad to see the negative comments here. Just because you don’t value a rally doesn’t mean it has no impact. An atzeres tefilla is not the only way to make an effort. Politicians are watching and numbers count. And the people going? The employed who are taking off, students, seniors…
Time to step out of your bubble.November 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238540sm77Participant
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz and Lakewood Mesivta, member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, and author of about 80 seforim on Shas and Tanach gave a drasha and he said at around 27 minutes, that the whole idea of going to the Washington Rally is treif like chazer. It’s not going to help, it’s going to make it worse – and it destroys the entire purpose of why Hashem brought this tzara on klal yisrael. As it’s exactly the opposite of what Hashem wants from us.
The hate of the non-Jews is unprecedented across the world and every gov’t – it’s going to become extremely dangerous outside Eretz Yisroel, (quoting
רבי יהונתן אייבשיץ / יערות דבש / but in Eretz Yisroel we have the extra special shemirah from Hashem.
Rachmana Latzlan, the demonstrations are counter-productive, the Arabs, Muslims and non-Jews are going to counter demonstrate, and they have much more people then us, and their malice and cruelty, it’s opening up a tremendous sakana gedolah. It’s going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.
These rally’s should stop, and we should not go to these places. We do not belong in this places. They can incite the non-Jews around us. Chas v’shalom to think that this is what Hashem wants from us
We have to be careful and not go there. It’s not our salvation.
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During ww2 there was a March of rabbonim on Washington before Yom Kippur and more Americans americanized jews were uncomfortable with getting entangled. The more things changed, the more they are the sameNovember 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238556
Joseph, you can say whatever you want – I hope you realize that nobody here takes you seriously.
Agudas Yisroel encouraged people to attend, and I assume that there will be Rabbonim attending.
Go crawl back under your bridge, you sonei Yisrael.November 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238559
Given that the political left is holding rallies calling for genocide of Jews, it might be useful to make it clear we object. The “WOKE” demand is for a Judenrein world, and it is in our interests to force left-wing Democrats to confront this and decide if they really want to include a faction that supports mass murder as a matter of policy.
To the one saying “how many unemployed…”. If one holds that the laws against homicide, and the public international laws against genocide and murder of civilians in war time, no longer apply to Yidden– Kal ve Homer the law as against employment discrimination don’t apply.November 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238560Jay42095Participant
Agudas Yisroel has encouraged attendance, which means that it is a proper use of time. Furthermore, people will be taking off from work for such an important event.November 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238561The kneidelParticipant
The rabbis in my community decided that whomever can go has an obligation to go. They say that it is the proper hishtadlus. They announced this after having discussions with the gedolim in America. Most of the shuls, schools, and yeshivos will be attending the rally.November 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238564
“Its a waste of time”
R’ Yosef: If even a few of our brothers and sisters in EY gain a moment of chizuk and comfort by seeing tens of thousands of Americans on the mall showing their support, its not a waste of time. Your comment, however, is but that is true to form.November 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238565jackkParticipant
Chofetz Chaim Yeshiva in Queens.
RABBINICAL SEMINARY OF AMERICA:
We ask all the Bnei Hayeshiva to attend the rally in Washington DC on Tuesday November 14th. If wives can attend it would also be appropriate. If they need to change their work schedule to accommodate their husband’s attendance, it would be appropriate if possible.
Yeshiva will be providing transportation, however we request whomever can drive and take passengers to please do so. Yeshiva will reimburse costs.
Whoever cannot go should keep regular sedarim in the Yeshiva.
Shacharis schedule will be posted.
HANHALAS HAYESHIVANovember 10, 2023 9:34 am at 9:34 am #2238566jackkParticipant
Agudath Israel has released a statement encouraging people to attend the pro-Israel rally in Washington this coming Tuesday:
Two Jewish organizations – the Jewish Federations of North America and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations – are organizing a mass rally in Washington, D.C. next Tuesday November 14 to show solidarity with Israel and to urge the US government to stand firm in its support.
In light of the ongoing life-threatening danger confronting Israeli soldiers and all of our dear brothers and sisters in Eretz Yisroel, and with great concern about the extremely volatile political climate here in the United States, we feel it is important, midarchei ha’shtadlonus, that there be a large turnout at this event. Accordingly, and in consultation with our rabbinic leadership, we are circulating to our friends and constituents information about the rally. More information will be available here in the coming days.
In the merit of our Torah and tefillah, and carrying out our shtadlanus obligations, may HKB’H hear our cries and protect us from all dangers — Hashem hoshia ha’Melech ya’aneinu b’yom koreinu!November 10, 2023 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2238594SchnitzelBigotParticipant
Antagonizing all your goyishe neighbors in South Jersey by voting in a Dem askan is “Daas Torah” while going to a peaceful rally is “inciteful”.
/sNovember 10, 2023 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #2238609AviraDeArahParticipant
The agudah was pretty pareve in its statement, and it isn’t as if all pf the mostzes signed a letter…there are different shitos on this particular rally.
I’ve never seen a more galvanized and violent anti israel left wing before. In light of what’s going on in the streets and colleges, my feeling is that there might be a sakanah in the rally – what better place to find a huge amount of jews and maximize….rachmana litzlan, especially when the anti Israel groups contain potential terrorists.November 10, 2023 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #2238610yechiellParticipant
sm77 – a godol hatora has time to comment on the rally while he’s busy writing his 81st sefer?
I don’t believe it..
Young Israel of Great Neck still has room on their buses, if you’re still interested.November 10, 2023 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #2238614
@ss77, the only thing R Srotzkin care about is feathering his own nest, @Shintzel bigot said it best.November 10, 2023 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #2238615
DaMoshe: I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that you’d have the audacity and azus to call HaGaon HaRav Yitzchok Sorotzkin shlita”a, Rosh Yeshivas Telz and Chaver Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah a “sonei Yisroel” for declaring that this political march and rally coming up in Washington, DC, organized by secular Jews, is counterproductive, will hurt us Yidden and cause further antisemitism and violence against Jews, and that no Yiddish should c”v attend the rally.
Where is your Derech Eretz for such a Godol HaDor?November 10, 2023 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #2238613Chaim87Participant
I hear R Yitzchokc’s point. But my question is why not a yom tefila in Manhatan? We did this about 20 years ago and I remember that. We will thne get a lot more people. And more importantly, it wouldn’t be a “rally” in the sense of yelling. Its a yom tefila but with some showing to the world that we care and that this is the way we yell. I understand that it may bring iut the other side but the point is that if you are simply dvaening vs yelling it isn’t a two way fight then and won’t invoke as much. This has always been our way. It distubrs me that we can’t do thatNovember 10, 2023 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #2238631ubiquitinParticipant
R Aron Feldman shlita said bal habatim (as opposed to yeshiva leit) SHOULD goNovember 10, 2023 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #2238633
Joe, I didn’t call R’ Sorotzkin a sonei, I called YOU a sonei Yisrael. Everyone on this site knows you are the biggest troll here, and that you regularly insult and put down others. You cherry-pick the shitos you want in order to troll as hard as you can. You are the ultimate letz, and yes, you are a sonei Yisrael.November 11, 2023 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #2238637
The MARC (Maryland commuter rail) has announced that due to a “First amendment event” the trains may be very crowded on Tuesday. I would not be surprised if non-frum Jews and goyim come. The issue of the WOKE left endorsing murder, kidnapping and rape is actually quite important to more than just the frum community, as they (the pro-Hamas demonstrators) appear to have alienated more than just Orthodox Jews.November 11, 2023 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #2238639
The MARC (Maryland commuter rail) has announced that due to a “First amendment event” the trains may be very crowded on Tuesday. I would not be surprised if many non-frum Jews and goyim come. The issue of the WOKE left endorsing murder, kidnapping and rape is actually quite important to more than just the frum community, as they (the pro-Hamas demonstrators) appear to have alienated more than just Orthodox Jews, even if it is probably considered “existential” only to us.November 11, 2023 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #2238744smerelParticipant
Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin spoke for over thirty five minutes about the importance of Teshuva, Tefila, more learning, more Bein Adam L’Chovery due to the matzav. Interspersed in that he also spent two minutes against the rally. If you are seriously acting on what he said during the other thirty five minutes. Wonderful. Chazak V’Amatz. But if you aren’t then Rav Sorotzkin has nothing to do with why you aren’t attending.November 11, 2023 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #2238745
DaMoshe, you call anyone who disagrees with your far left-wing Modern Orthodox “religious” views a sonei Yisroel. The closest “shitta” you adhere to is your fellow LWMO ideologe Avi Weiss.November 11, 2023 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #2238753AviraDeArahParticipant
There’s a big difference between the rabbis march on Washington during the war and today’s matzvav.
Asking, begging for help during the Holocaust on behalf of a humanitarian cause is different than flying a foreign countrys flag and demanding that the United States assist that country, even though the intent of many demonstrators is that the US help Israel defend its citizens, namely acheinu bnei yisroel.
The rabbis march would only anger goyim who are already extremely antisemitic; this rally could play into the dual loyalty stereotype and other tropes which some goyim might be on the fence about.November 11, 2023 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #2238754
Here is a quote from aguda, as quoted by Lakewood alerts:
we feel it is important, midarchei ha’shtadlonus, that there be a large turnout at this event. Accordingly, and in consultation with our rabbinic leadership, we are circulating to our friends and constituents information about the rally. More information will be available here in the coming days.
I would not call this “pareve”. It may be cautious maybe because it is organized by a different organization and maybe disagreements within aguda, but it is an endorsement. They are careful not to call directly to attend, possibly not to put in awkward position those who don’t want to.
So, if you are looking for their guidance, it is there. But if you want to be meikel and follow your own daas, you can do that also.November 11, 2023 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #2238772
There are dozens of rabbonim who are supporting the rally on Tuesday. If Sorotzkin and several others don’t believe it would be effective, that is their right but hopefully most Jews living in close proximity to D.C. with the ability to take the day off from work or school will participate.November 12, 2023 7:14 am at 7:14 am #2238781amiricanyeshivishParticipant
Just because there are dozens of Rabbonim supporting the rally is that a reason for Harav Sorotzkin to lose his title “Rabbi”?November 12, 2023 7:15 am at 7:15 am #2238784KuvultParticipant
“It’s going to antagonize all the colleges, non-Jews, and the Muslims.”
Reminds me of the story of a Jew walking to the gas Chambers started singing “Ani Mamim” & the Yidden around him said, “Be quiet! You’ll antagonize the Nazis & make things worse.”November 12, 2023 7:15 am at 7:15 am #2238786LostsparkParticipant
Hobnobbing with geriatric Zionist Christians carrying guns is always great optics for the American jews.
I’m sure plenty of young American men will sign right up to fight for Israel after this profound demonstration!!!!!November 12, 2023 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #2238887
@AAQ, “But if you want to be meikel and follow your own daas, you can do that also.”
So I guess your always meikel because you constantly deride people who ask daas torah.November 12, 2023 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #2238923
I am confused that people who usually follow aguda are now looking for tirutzim and yehidim who disagree. True aguda doesn’t call for everyone personally to go, just to increase numbers. So if you are not comfortable going, you can maybe sponsor free bus seats, encourage your students to go, substitute for a teacher or a doctor who are going, drive students to the bus meeting place…November 12, 2023 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #2239002
Joe, you are so eager to attack me that you’re just reaching now. I’ve posted many, many times that I 100% oppose Weiss and YCT. Got anything else to show your hatred of a fellow Jew?November 12, 2023 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #2239006yechiellParticipant
‘The rabbis march would only anger goyim”
Have you seen the rallies of the Muslims? with their kaffiyahs and smattas on their heads?
That should anger the Jews.November 13, 2023 8:25 am at 8:25 am #2239113sm77Participant
Chaim87: To answer, “But my question is why not a yom tefila in Manhatan?” — From listening to the RY’s shiur, I would say the reason they are not doing it now – is because of the tremendous danger of amassing so many yidden in one area – and now the predicament of hate among the non-Jews toward the Jews is more than it was ever before. Plus, over 7 million crossed the border illegally since Biden took office. There is a major risk of terrorism, because some of those illegal immigrants are from Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, etc. and they could be Hamas/ISIS/Jihad sleeper cells.
I am sure in his minyan they recite tehilim daily posuk by posuk with intensity and long-winded with kavana and zaakah gedolah – and that’s what he is asking klal yisroel to do.November 13, 2023 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #2239216
DalMoshe: Ignore uncle Joe…..he gets off on angry responses to his trolls. In this case, especially, his normally intelligent observatons, albeit on the fringe, are grounded in some degree of reality. Here, its just stupidity for the sake of stupidity. While some may question the efficacy of any type of demonstration, the purpose here is narrowly drawn to make clear that there is solidarity within all segments of the tzibur (except for NK and some some rabbonim askanim editedNovember 13, 2023 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #2239404GAONParticipant
Am trying to figure out the major Hisnagdus against the taking part in the Rally.
It’s not like it is officially organized by any particular Org.
On the contrary, if it does NOT go against Hashkafa, you might have an issue of “Lo Samod Al Dam Rayechai”
!לא תעמוד על דם רעך
It is a no-brainer – Politicians are influenced by the size of participants. We need to outnumber the opponents. If this rally will garner 500K plus Pro-Israel participants rallying it will have a major effect world-wide!
The same way the Kenayim have rallies and Protest’s based on that logic..November 13, 2023 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #2239401LerntminTayrahParticipant
If your Daas Torah says to go, go. if your Daas Torah says not to go, don’t go. That’s what Hashem wants you to do.
Eilu va’eilu.November 14, 2023 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #2239522☕️coffee addictParticipant
We’ll I guess daas Torah was duped
They couldn’t have got the program beforehand?November 14, 2023 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #2239560Chaim87Participant
I am not convinced that security is such and issue espcially when the cops are on high alert. Will it perhaps anger cetrain sects? yes and maybe they will yell. As long as we don’t yell back, I think its OK. Anytime you fight back you will anger someone. While our place is to stay low normally in golus, we also can’t be like sheep being slaughtered again. Some times you also need to be enraged and fight back in our own eidla way of public display davening. I think this golus syndrome is overdone. You need a balance. I don’t see why a yom tefila is such a security concern. The risk is tiny. Also the illegals you refer too from our south border aren’t part of this war. I think the greater issue is that the frum need to learn how to get along better. It shouldn’t be treif if aguda orgnanzies even if you don’t like their shita. Chasdim should fargin standing near litfaks etc.November 14, 2023 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #2239614November 14, 2023 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #2239681
Joe, there are 13 members on the Moetzes. Not even half of them signed the letter. That’s your case? Laughable.November 14, 2023 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #2239685
Those T’Ch who signed the Tuesday morning call are – Lakewood, Mir and a 92-student school from Brooklyn. Do we presume that the rest are for, or at least OK, with the rally given that Moetzes as an oganization were ok with it?November 14, 2023 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #2239763
@AAQ “I respectfully produce arguments that would work according to your shita. I also added arguments from sevorah. As I generally follow beis Hille, I put your position first and mine second”
what happened to this???????????????????????????????November 14, 2023 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #2239777
Oh, so it is 8 to 5 in Moetses? This explains the “pareve” “joint statement”. Not sure then why minority issued a separate opinion right before the event. Were they pressured by their followers after the compromise? Maybe, majority can now take back the compromise statement and tell us what they really think?November 14, 2023 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #2239814
The rally served its purpose, in spite of the signatories. Hopefully, those who opposed participation in today’s event will find their own way of providing political support to the efforts on the Hill to quickly move a military aid bill to EY.November 15, 2023 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #2240026smerelParticipant
Even assuming the opposition to the rally of those Rabonim and Roshey Yeshiva is the final word on this issue, those quoting them online clearly do not have those motivation for opposing itNovember 20, 2023 11:24 am at 11:24 am #2240947ZeffParticipant
I am compelled to share a sentiment that resonates within and beyond the Yeshivish circles, sparked by recent events such as the recommendation letter discouraging attendance at a Washington DC rally. Growing up in the Yeshivish community, I appreciate the solid foundation it provides and understand the value of sheltering individuals from influences that may not align with our beliefs. However, a crucial issue demands our attention.
Within the Yeshiva system, there seems to be a deficiency in educating our children about the equal standing of other Roshei Yeshivas, Gedolei Torah, and their followers outside our circles. It is imperative to recognize that individuals from diverse affiliations within Judaism are not in any way inferior. For example, Roshei Yeshivos and Gedolei Torah of Modern Orthodox circles or, for that matter, any other sect should not be looked at as inferior to those of the Yeshivish or Chasidic circles. Every Jew, regardless of their religious orientation, remains our brother or sister, and our community should avoid conveying a sense of superiority. The disputes and differences of the 1950s are expired.
A recent example is the rally in Washington, DC. While the lineup of speakers and the program may not have aligned with the preferences of Yeshivish circles, it was, at its core, a unity rally, and every Jew should have participated. I include myself in this reflection, admitting that I did not attend. Respecting the guidance of Gedolei Torah is crucial, but there could have been a solution to facilitate participation for those more comfortable in a Yeshiva-centric environment.
Chabad, for instance, saw this rally as an opportunity to unite thousands in putting on tefillin, without imposing judgment on the event’s overall alignment with their hashkafa. Prominent Roshei Yeshivos and Gedolei Torah attended, recognizing the importance of looking beyond differences and acknowledging every Jew as part of the collective.
In Israel, a model of unity has been established, fostering palpable love between Chareidim and secular Jews. It is time to shed historical judgments and embrace each other, irrespective of the sect, attire, or Yeshiva affiliation. Past distinctions should no longer hinder our ability to view fellow Jews as equals.
It is incumbent upon Roshei Yeshivos and Gedolei Torah to impart these values to our children. Regardless of external markers, such as a yarmulke’s style or the color of a shirt, we must teach our youth to regard all Gedolim, Talmidei Chachamim, and fellow Jews, regardless of sect, as equals. Differing opinions are natural, but they should not alter the fundamental way we perceive and relate to one another.
Allow me to vent for a second. I can understand instructing those who sit and learn all day to stay put and learn rather than attend the rally because there’s nothing better than learning. However, discouraging others in the Yeshivish circles from going to the rally makes no sense! There has never been a kol koreh discouraging those in the Yeshivish circles from attending ECORE, ECAP, Amazon trade shows, and other conventions where the surroundings are significantly worse than the surroundings at the DC rally.
In conclusion, let us prioritize love over judgment, unity over division. Our responsibility is not to pass judgment but to embrace every Jew as we would ourselves. Together, let us foster a community where differences strengthen our collective spirit rather than drive us apart.
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