October 31, 2009 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #590718simplydevoMember
A nice hemish chareidi communityNovember 1, 2009 2:04 am at 2:04 am #708117pookieMember
okay, cool?November 1, 2009 3:24 am at 3:24 am #708118November 1, 2009 4:20 am at 4:20 am #708119starwolfMember
Ramat Bet Shemesh is not a single community. RBS Aleph is very different than RBS Bet.
One should investigate very thoroughly about the communities before moving there, as there are quite a few problems associated with Bet Shemesh overall. This does not mean that they are unsuitable communities, but that one should have one’s eyes open (as with everything else).November 1, 2009 9:03 am at 9:03 am #708121dveykus613Participant
starwolf, it is an amazing community, and like any other, it has “problem areas” and great areas and amazing schools (and quite a selection at that!), amazing communities – I will say that Ramat Beit Shemesh is unique as each street has it’s own character and mix of types of people, and therefore a person has to look into each one – I do agree with you though, as with moving anywhere else, one must look into both neighborhoods, schools, location, friends etc to find what is the best fit for you…
EDITEDNovember 1, 2009 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #708125haifagirlParticipant
I’m sure Ramat Beit Shemesh is very nice. And probably so is Ramat Beit Shimush. However, I’ll stick with Haifa.November 1, 2009 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #708128A600KiloBearParticipant
The parallel community to RB-Shimush in Haifa is called Ramat Beit Kisse, never chas vesholom to be confused with the very non-kanoi Ramat Vizhnitz of Reb Chaim Banet choir fame. Haifa (Seret) Vizhnitz is in cherem in RB-Shimush and RB-Kisse because its Rebbe is neither a kanoi nor a baal machloikes and they are known for real music, not shouts of Shabbos or Shygetz accompanied by a real “rock” band that gets its victims “stoned”.
RB-Kisse is located somewhere on Har Carmel but it probably only comes out late at night.November 2, 2009 9:50 am at 9:50 am #708130devoMember
Wow, I’ve never heard of such a place. sounds very kabbalistic, but we’re talking about a community in Mercaz Haaretz not some place on Har Carmel.November 2, 2009 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #708131devoMember
More info on RBS:
Yes its a very diuverse community, but the beauty of it is that we can most of the time live together as one big family. Its a pretty nieghborhood with parks and shuls and community centers (not s/t every jewish comunity has in Israel). So for the most part its a really nice place to live. For a/o who wants to live in angloland come join us in RBSA.November 3, 2009 10:57 am at 10:57 am #708133rwndk1Member
We considered moving to RBS while it was being built, we saw a beautiful two story apt. in the middle of building which would have solved our space problem. Let me ask those who live there? While it is nice for us as parents to live in a predominantly anglo neighborhood, but how do the kids turn out. A sad fact that we must all face is that Israeli society is very polarized, you are either this or that. Parents can accept or reject chareidi/mizrachi or any other hanhagos, but I feared that you could be messing your kids up. We decided to throw in the towel and send them to total Chareidi institutions and integrate into Chareidi society, taking the bad with the good. Thank G-d as the kids grow up we see that it was the right choice. Any thoughts on this matter for those who live in angloland.November 3, 2009 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #708134A600KiloBearParticipant
RB-Shimush is a parody of certain fringe elements who live in RBS-Bet. They probably refer to everything outside of their little dalet amois (physical and hashkofic) as Ramas Byse Shygetz. RB-Kisse does not exist unless you want to use that phrase to refer to the cover of the seat of your porcelain kisse hakavoid.November 3, 2009 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #708135rebetzinParticipant
rwndk1, we live in e”y. Our kids are still young. There are a lot of advantages to living here, but since (among other reasons) we can’t see ourselves totally integrating into chareidi Israeli society, we don’t plan on staying here forever.
We ended up moving to a very chareidi place because of cheaper rent. It works for us now, but I don’t think I would have chosen to live here if I was looking for a place to live forever.November 3, 2009 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #708136
I’ve been living in Eretz Yisrael for the past three years in RBSA It was a very big adjustment but baruch Hashem with a lot of help and support I was able to acclimate into Israeli society well. I have changed a lot since I made Aliya and I believe its for the better.Living in a population where half of the anglo kids can’t make it in school and just drop out I find it a great achievement to have gotten to where I am today. I can’t see myself living in any other country than the country of my heritage- Israel.
Yes living in Israel is totally hard, but geuss what we’re suppposed to be in EY with yisurim until Mashiach comes. And also those of us that do live here have such a love of the land that by leaving it yopu are literally ripping out a part of our souls. I don’t think anyone that doesn’t live here can understand the tangibility of the kedusha here and if you do how can you as a jew just get up and leave?
Life is hard its supposed to be hard. As a friend once said:”Life’s a climb but the view’s great”November 4, 2009 8:05 am at 8:05 am #708137rebetzinParticipant
MaKesher, you answered your own question about how can someone just get up and leave. If my children have a 50% chance of being dropouts, then why would I take the chance? (I never heard that statistic before. I’m just quoting you. But I know that anglo kids have difficulties adjusting.)
In any case I’m glad it’s working out for you. Personally it’s just too much for me to live across the ocean from every single family member of mine and my husbands.November 12, 2009 6:39 am at 6:39 am #708138
But rebetzin, that makes it an even greater reason to stay. There is more tumah in a place that there is more kedusha so we have to fight harder even as adults to stay ahead of the game and not get sucked into the bad influences, and this issue of at-risk teens is a global phenomenon its not synonymous with just RBS. Its happening all over the world and stating that one place is better than the other or that you’re more protected somewhere else is a very naive approach to the issue at hand. And the statistic was just to prove a point its not a scientific equation that is completely accurate. thank you for the compliment of my staying abilities I hope more people will find the courage to move to Ertz Yisrael so that we can proove ourselves as a united AM-nation. We are a united nation we just have to work a little harder so that the rest of our family feels the same way and they feel like they belong with us. This is where we all belong.November 17, 2009 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #708139real613Member
I am also very interested in more information about rbs. i only have a 2yr old so i’m assuming that even within a few years it will still be an easy adjustment but how does one find out more information without knowing anyone there? Also on average how much does it cost to live in rbs?November 17, 2009 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #708140dveykus613Participant
real – rbs is great, each street has a very different nature so you have to find where you fit in best. with a 2 year old should be easier to settle down. cost of living really depends on how you spend in the grocery store, how big of a mortgage you need, if you have a car, how often you drive, etc etc. health insurance you pay either nothing or you can pay around 100 shekel a month for your whole family (and i have 3 kids!) for supplementary “upgraded” health insurance where you can get many more benefits.
Tuition (gan and.oir elementary school) is around 350-600 shekels a month, depending on the school, boys/girls, whether they get government support too and how much, etc…..but substantially lower than in the states.
Groceries cost about the same or a bit more, but can add up if you buy all the american imported products rather than getting used to more of the israeli stuff….figure most american products to cost twice as much after import & import tax.
As per your previous post/thread, feel free to email me with more questions.November 18, 2009 2:46 am at 2:46 am #708141real613Member
thanks dveykus613, although I am slightly concerned because I am hearing alot of people stress that each street is very different…choose carefully or that sort. how can you have a strong community? I am looking to get away from the many tiny developement type places for a good community. Accepting community…etcNovember 20, 2009 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #708142
RBS A is a good community and for the most part it is very accepting. As for each street being different, that is the beauty of this community. It gives you the ability to choose where you fit in best. You can be with all Anglos or with all Israelis or then again you can be on a street with a mixture of both. Whatever you want and whatever you feel is right for you you can find in the community.
There is no perfect place in life-no right school, no perfect community, but we do our best and live with what we are thankfully given. Thank You……… Hashem! 😉November 20, 2009 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #708143dayyszMember
Can someone (or a few someones) post more details about areas and streets? I know someone planning on moving to Ramat Beit Shemesh and they need a run-down on everything. No need to be negative – just parve or positive. What kind of people – ages, backgrounds, American / Israeli, shuls, etc. are in each area or cluster of streets? These people do not have school-age children. Thanks!November 22, 2009 6:58 am at 6:58 am #708144
The Ayalon park is somewhat of a divide between Hebrew Israeli and American Hebrew speakers. There are more Israeli type families from there until the bottom of RBS A, and ore anglo type families living on the other side.
Lately I’ve been going shul hopping trying to find a shul that I like so let me tell you about some of them. I started at Ahavath Shalom which is a very nice mix of Anglos and Israelis. Its for a kind of older established crowd-ppl that are living there with a warm embrace to all visitors and newcomers. There are a few Sphardi shuls next to it that are also very nice. Also on Nachshon there is a new sort of Shtebl at the end of the block.
There are some very established Anglo shuls up and down Refaim, Ayalon, Revivim and Luz. It all depends on what you like and what you’re looking for. This past Shabbos I went to Shivtei Yeshurin which is the last house on Dolev (the Q) and it was also very nice. It had the feel of an Anglo-American Baal HaBayit shul. R’ Yaakov Haber is the Rav there. We also have a Carlebach shul, a Cabad shul and even a Soleveitshik shul. There are shuls everywhere in every nook and cranny and there’s always a new one popping up so I’m sure you’ll be able to find a place that suits you best.
What kind of age group are there children-young or finished school? It will be easier giving a good picture suited to these people’s needs if we know or have some clearer idea of what they’re looking for.
Hope this helped. Lots of Hatzlacha!!!November 9, 2010 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #708145holy brotherParticipant
Ive been to ramat beit shemesh a few times, excuse me but the streets are FULL of boys and girls hanging out.November 10, 2010 2:49 am at 2:49 am #708146RamatShiloParticipant
Ramat Shilo in Ramat Beit Shemesh is a great diverse community..
i would advise anyone coming from Teneck, Passaic, Flatbush, LA to come to ramat shilo…. nice good normal mix of working class people…November 10, 2010 6:43 am at 6:43 am #708147yechezkel89Member
holy brother, any street you walk on you can find boys and girls “hanging out” RBSA is a really nice community. Are there problems, of course there are, any neighborhood has its’ share of problems. However there are a lot of wonderful things that should be said about RBSA.November 10, 2010 7:15 am at 7:15 am #708148fabieMember
RBS Aleph and Bet are completely different, as is the Kiryah. Every shul their has it’s own slice. My daughter(s) was very happy with the high school there, but commuting was a real pain. Plenty of politics, and extremely diverse, too much so. MO and Meah Shearim just don’t blend. Yes, loads of Anglo dropouts, but not 50%. There is an underground spying agency that reports the sem girls not playing by the ryles, but we didn’t have that problem fortunately.November 10, 2010 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #708149yeshivaguy1Participant
I love ramat beit shemesh; it’s the closest to America in Israel. As mentioned, every area has it’s own community. There’s the very yeshivish mostly american mishkenos yaakov community around the shopping center area. There is a mixture of Israelis and americans by sork and lachish. Pretty much all yeshivish anglos on the other side of ayalon park by luz revivim near the gra shul. Therev is a dati leumi Israeli community on dolev and a more modern anglo community. Ramat shilo is anglo balabatish. There is a big problem with at risk there since many families move there with older children which according to most mechanchim is a big no no. If I would move to Israel I would live in ramat beit shemeshNovember 10, 2010 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #708151mamashtakahMember
I love ramat beit shemesh; it’s the closest to America in Israel.
That’s davka a reason not not to live there. I’m very glad we stayed away from the Beit Shemesh/RBS ghetto when we made aliyah. I can definately see that my kids turned out much better (school, socially, speaking Hebrew) than their friends who are there.November 10, 2010 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #708152yeshivaguy1Participant
And that’s why I love it. I can’t stand Israeli culture.
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