Reform “Rabbis”

Answers to these two heavy questions:

1) There is really no purpose for a rabbi in the Reform movement. However, someone needs the identity as the leader of the flock. In reality, there is no flock, just club members. But there needs to be a CEO. This masquerades as religion. It’s basically Purim all year round.

2) The title rabbi connotes nothing. Many reform rabbis know less than the average frum kid in kindergarten. Some of us have actually observed the challenge between a 3-4 year old kid from a mainstream frum family and a Reform rabbi. These fellows get terribly embarrassed. What qualifies them for a title is having a tad more knowledge than the next fellow (or gal).

A Reform “rabbi” gets paid to tell the congregants exactly what they want to hear. Then, in the fashion of Orwellian Doublethink, the congregants tell themselves that they’re practicing Judaism properly, because the “rabbi” says they are.

“Rabbi” is an honorific used to denote a member of the jewish clergy.

Rav Moshe z’l used the title when referring to members of the reform and conservative clergy. He used the title Rav when referring to a shomer torah umitzvos.

Rav Moshe, when writing in Hebrew called Reform and Conservative clergymen “rabbis”, spelling out the English term in Hebrew letters in middle of his Hebrew Psak. This is, in fact, Rav Moshe mocking them. It is similar to putting quotation marks around the term “rabbi”. And he didn’t use the term for individual Reform and Conservative clergymen but rather only when discussing them as a group.

Like in his Psak saying it is assur to enter a Reform or Conservative house of worship sanctuary.

most (conservative) are highly knowledgeable about yiddeshkeit albeit not well versed in the nuts an bolts of many areas of halacha which are not part of their religion.

Fixed that for you

Again, if some of you get off on denigrating anyone claiming to be a rabbi who is not a musmach of certain yeshivos its your choice. The rules of the CR clearly don’t address simple courtesy and ahavas yisroel in relation to other yidden but they may have been drafted at a time when such menschlichkeit was taken for granted

Just to quantify Joseph’s convert statement, the vast majority of conservative and reform Jews are not converts and are halachically Jewish, and just very very lost. We need to daven and do our hishtadlus to bring them back. It’s not a good thing that over 80% of JEWS aren’t keeping the Torah and there is an entire generation that don’t know what kriyas shema is.

To address the topic of this thread, most people who are secular view a rabbi as more of a social worker role. They are there to help ease tensions in a community or relationship and provide life advice.

1) What is the point of a reform rabbi and beth din if everything is allowed?
If Judaism is so flexible and you do whatever you want, why have a beth din?

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Goyim are also flexible and do whatever they want for the most part, but yet they have a court system. Om not sure what your question is?

Unfortuantly I know Rabbis who are white and orthodox who spent time in jail 🙁

Serving time in jail is no indication of actual guilt. It just means America’s corrupt judicial system jailed someone.

Regarding the Reform and Conservatives, the number of non-Jewish/gentile members of Reform and Conservative is much more than people realize. We’re talking now over 200 years of fake converts. And those fake converts children, grandchildren, great-children, etc. In addition were getting close to 75 years of paternal descent being counted as Jewish, where the mother was gentile. And those paternal descents children and grandchildren.

Kiruv professionals today have a significant problem figuring out whether a Reform or Conservative “Jew” who potentially may wish to become frum is even Jewish. Many are gentiles who consider themselves Jewish (Reform or Conservative) and have no idea that they are, in fact, a goy.

Joseph

Serving time in jail is no indication of actual guilt. It just means America’s corrupt judicial system jailed someone.
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Joseph why are you assuming these rabbis are in “american ” jails?

Most Reform “rabbis” know as much about yiddishkeit as frum middle schoolers (i.e. a bit of humash, really can’t do gemara on their own). If they become baal tseuvah they have to do a lot of remedial work before they could learn in a regular yeshiva.

Many of the early ones were frum Jews who needed parnassah, but that was two centuries ago.

Joseph

Takes2, non-American judicial system are even more corrupt.
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Joseph , would you be ok if all criminals in the world were suddenly released from thier jails because of your claim that the judicial systems are all corrupt.

YY, what about them? Their alternative to pleading guilty is to take their case to court and face a near certain guilty verdict regardless of their innocence. Thus making pleading guilty the lesser miscarriage of justice.

There is a mistaken assumption here. That if someone is not orthodox then they are reform or conservative. That is not true. Most people who are not orthodox are secular not reform. Meaning they dont belong to any denomination. reform isnt the default, Secular is the default. A reform jew might go to temple 2 times a year and maybe use a rabbi for a wedding or a funeral. A secular will almost never use a rabbi (except MAYBE a wedding or a funeral) and sometimes not even then

Joseph, the Novominsker Rav and Rav Salomon (among many others) have spoken out about the problem of dishonesty in business among so-called frum Jews. Here’s an excerpt from a 2009 article by Avi Shafran discussing Rav Shimon Schwab, ZTL: “Those who resort to… dishonesty,” [Rabbi Schwab] said, “while they may have the outward appearance of G-d-fearing Jews, deep down they are irreligious” – and he loudly emphasized the “ir” of “irreligious.” G-d provides us what He knows we need, Rabbi Schwab explained. To steal is to deny that fact, and any gains thereby ill-gotten are an inheritance bequeathed by evil.

whats the discussion, if orthodox desecrate a mitzvah its out of temptation, and how many ball aveiros do you have BUT NOT AS A SHITAA unlike reform, conservative who reject the whole torah misini and the taryag. all their adherents….

@shimen most unobservant Jews aren’t doing it beshita they’re doing it beignorance

Ah nebech apikorus is oich an apikorus. Both the unaffiliated and the movements (lay and leadership) mostly do not believe Hashem created the world in seven days and do not believe the Torah as true. Thus they are apikorsum.

Most non-O Jews have no understanding of their religion. They are not beshita anything. They never spent much time looking into it. I would say that they are passive apikorsim.

They’re not “passive”. They consciously avoid looking into it. If a member of a non-O congregation starts asking questions or making suggestions that are not in line with the movement’s doctrine, he’ll be ignored, laughed at, or otherwise discouraged.

I have interacted in learning with two reform rabbis and two conservative rabbis. Obviously, these are tiny sample sizes. But from my experience the typical conservative rabbi is much more learned in Torah and halacha than the typical reform rabbi.

However, comparing either with Orthodox children is not really fair. There are areas in which the child might know more than the rabbi, but there will also be areas where the rabbi will know much more than the child.

Benignuman, why would you engage in learning with apikorsum?