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Does it bother anybody that A. Winehouse is being cremated, but the “Rabbi” said they had a funeral days later because of Jewish law to do it right away? One -It’s terrible for a Jew to be cremated and two- it’s a Inyan to hurry up and bury, not to hurry up and cremate!
Sadly this happens daily only this one is a high profile case. The family is inocent since they don’t know better but the “Rabbi” who could of made the diference in explaining to the family the velue of a jewish ???? no matter how far it wanderd away chose not to do so.
if it did bother me, what could I do about it?
(asked completely w/o sarcasm)
deiyezooger: The “rabbi” is no rabbi. It may even be a woman. I doubt he or she cared any more than the family and probably didn’t even know any better than them.
this is how it goes.. they don’t know better.
ex.– open casket at a Jewish funeral service 🙁
But the Rabbi’s Rabbi did.
there are no jewish laws or customs concerning how soon to cremate, so the rabbi may have really been on her own here.
(this time said with sarcasm)
there are no jewish laws or customs concerning how soon to cremate, so the rabbi may have really been on her own here.
The halacha is to wait as long as possible. Because it is assur to do it, so you can’t do it now. Or now. Or now.
No sarcasm intended, but if you are so concerned with the neshama of this singer, where were you 5 years ago, last year, last week?
apushatayid is right. I’m going to now try to save Jackie Mason’s neshama before it is too late.
Anyone have his number?
I never heard her name before yesterday, but in any case what could I have done?
apushatayid, you make another excellent point.
Let us pray her tortured soul finds some rest, and that her family finds comfort among the mourners of Zion.
Not what you could have done. What can you do. There are hundreds of thousands of not millions, of irreligious and unaffilliated jews in the world. All you have to do is start by reaching out to ONE. Any one of them.
ronsr – Very well said. She was still somebody’s daughter and the anguish that her parents are going through should not be known by anyone else. At least they are sitting shiva for her. I don’t of anyone who would care to trade places with the Winehouse family at this particular time.
“Does it bother anybody that A. Winehouse is being cremated”
Yes.
“where were you 5 years ago, last year, last week”
I have volunteered many hours for a organization that helps Jewish alcoholics, addicts, and their families.
Amen. Personally I think we should do a chevra mishnayos for those who didn’t leave anyone who knows how.
It’s not a question of what we can do, it’s a question of if this bothers us. And yes, it bothers me to see the halacha so distorted by this “rabbi” to make it appear that cremations are OK.
Mods, please change the thread title to “Reform Jews.” “Reformed Jews” makes it sound like it’s about alcoholic Jews who stopped drinking, or about Jews who had plastic surgery.
And yes, it bothers me to see the halacha so distorted by this “rabbi” to make it appear that cremations are OK.
It bothers me that sadly, there are Yidden who don’t know any better.
I agree that they don’t know better. Of course, the “rabbi” should know better, but might have wanted to do what the family wanted. Still though, the person should explain the laws to the family so they can make an informed decision.
What we in general need to do is reach out and bring our fellow Jews in, like the owner of shabbat.com who has many guests B’H. Slowly, show them the beauty and truth of our heritage.
And of course, also continue to show our own children the joy, truth, and beauty in our heritage
And my point is….if the distortions of that “rabbi” bother you, counteract his or her teachings by reaching out to one of his or her congregants.
Several years ago there was a “reform rabbi” who married his gay partner on Tisha B’Av in Massachusetts in a “traditional Jewish ceremony”. Very hard to understand their religion.
they (almost)all know that the Jewish religion forbids cremation.
they dont know why, or the importance of proper burial.
its sad enough that she died the way she did and lived the way she lived. its even worse that after her horrible life and death she didnt have a proper burial. I pity that family
While reading up about Bugsy Siegel I noticed that he was not buried but placed in a crypt at Hollywood Forever Cemetery.
Is there anything that can be done?
The problems begin in Reform school.
chein: Jackie Mason was actually the Rabbi of an Orthodox congregation, once upon a time!
Many Jews who don’t believe in Torah and halacha hold that it’s a mitzva to cremate; both from an economical and environmental standpoint.
yaakov doe:
“Several years ago there was a “reform rabbi” who married his gay partner on Tisha B’Av in Massachusetts in a “traditional Jewish ceremony”. Very hard to understand their religion.”
…or lack of the aforesaid. But actually, I don’t find it that hard to understand; they simply take what parts of Yiddishkeit they like and completely ignore whatever doesn’t quite strike their fancy. What a disgusting distortion of the Torah.
ronrsr:
“The problems begin in Reform school.”
No, the problems begin with the Reform movement itself.
The adam and steve line is from a bill cosby routine (or maybe a steven wright) from the early 80s. It was almost as popular as billy crystals chineese restaurant in san francisco joke….sum yung guy.
I didn’t know Amy Winehouse died. How sad. I don’t know the details but I know how sad her life was. Let’s daven and do what we can so our kids – all our kids – have wonderful Jewish exposure and opportunities, and I hope that she’s finding some level of peace in the Olam Haemes.
hello99-
Jackie Mason was actually the Rabbi of an Orthodox congregation, once upon a time!
Supposedly, in the new Reb Moshe book (Expanded 25th Yahrzeit Edition) there is a picture of Reb Jackie. Rumor has it that on page 91 he is the one standing on the far left.
(Don’t quote me on it.)
~May Hashem comfort her mourners among all the mourners of Israel ~
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