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  • #2057727
    Reb Eliezer
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    There is a Hungarian saying, tell the truth and your head will be smashed in.

    #2057870
    smerel
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    Embracing the left-liberal framing of this issue, right down to using slogans like the big lie isn’t called speaking truth. Kitzinger and Cheney are part of a partisan committee that exists only for the Democrats political benefit that at this point has little to do with January 6th anymore (Less than 10% (!)of the subpoenas sent out by the commission were to people who were actually involved with January 6th) They have done whatever they can to look for fights with other Republicans and are being responded to in kind

    One can dislike Trump and at the same time realize that Cheney and Kitzinger and many other opponents of his aren’t good people who are acting out of altruistic motivations or standing up for truth.

    #2057875
    mdd1
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    Smerel, why in the world would Cheney suddenly embrace the Left-Liberal agenda?!? Are you for real? Stop spewing the lunatic Trump propaganda which can not withstand the smallest scrutiny.

    #2057878
    ujm
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    Cheney should be completely booted out of the party.

    #2057899
    TS Baum
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    @mdd1
    Are YOU for real? How about you stop spewing the lunatic leftist propaganda which can not withstand the smallest scrutiny!
    Because you make absolutely no sense. All you do is call him a liar. For no reason. Because you think liz cheney is a tzadekes? Or even not? Cheney is a RINO, and that’s facts. Just look at what she does and says.
    Would you agree that joe manchin is a DINO? I think everybody will agree somewhat.
    So Liz cheney is lke that, but in a different party.

    #2057911
    smerel
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    >>>Smerel, why in the world would Cheney suddenly embrace the Left-Liberal agenda?!? Are you for real? Stop spewing the lunatic Trump propaganda which can not withstand the smallest scrutiny.

    You are screaming so loud I can’t hear what you are saying. If you have a specific question or scrutiny on what I said let me know and I’ll respond.

    On a personal note as my comment indicted I am anti Trump. However I also realize that his career opponents are frequently lying and frequently doing the wrong thing as well. It is rare to read an article about Trump that is pure honest and straight reporting . And many (most?)of the people who are investigating him are Rodfim. Your emotional response to my comment complete with the standard insults Trump’s opponents tell their followers to believe about anyone who doesn’t blindly and slavishly parrot their party line indicates that you have fallen into their web. The only difference between your comment and the type of comment you would expect from a Trump devotee who believes whatever Trumps says is which side you happen to be on

    #2057915
    Reb Eliezer
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    Trump is against democracy. When the states approved the electoral college counts, Trump wanted Vice President Pence to stop the certification for his lack of proven cause and hunches. אין ספק מוציא מידי וודאי a doubt does not rule over certainty.

    #2057927
    jackk
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    The January 6th committee will not allow the party that created the United States House Select Committee on Benghazi and wasted 2 years and 3 million dollars on a witch hunt against Hillary Clinton, tell them what it means to stand up for truth.

    Anyone who does not want to dig into the depths of the trump administrations legal and political attempts to overthrow the election, are OK with trumps attempt at the destruction of democracy in America. This includes every republican who voted against the commission and includes everyone who espouses the view that the commission is a sham and that it’s 2 republican members are just partisan rino’s

    What would Fox news say if the next republican to be elected as POTUS gets treated the same way on their Jan 6th and have the Democrat VP on their own decide that they will anoint the next Democrat as POTUS?

    #2057921
    jackk
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    smerel,

    I have 2 questions.
    1. What else do you call someone who lost and after unsuccessfully trying to prove that he won, continues to claim that he won the election and it was stolen from him ?
    The term “big lie” is very pareve. The real terms should be insanity, traitor, mentally ill, demagogue and demented.
    2. Re:”Less than 10% (!)of the subpoenas sent out by the commission were to people who were actually involved with January 6th) “.
    Here is a list of the people subpoenaed. Cross off the one who was not involved in Jan 6th.
    1. Mark Meadows, former White House chief of staff
    2. Daniel Scavino, former White House deputy chief of staff for communications
    3. Kashyap Patel, former Defense Department official
    4. Stephen Bannon, former Trump adviser
    5. Rudy Giuliani, a central figure in Trump’s bid to overturn the 2020 election on the basis of unfounded allegations of widespread voter fraud.
    Trump family members whose phone records were subpoenaed
    6. Eric Trump, the former President’s son who played a prominent roles in his father’s “Stop the Steal” efforts. The panel subpoenaed and obtained records of a phone number associated with Eric Trump, sources told CNN.
    7. Kimberly Guilfoyle, who is engaged to Donald Trump Jr. and spoke at the January 6 rally on the Ellipse that preceded the attack on the Capitol. The committee subpoenaed and obtained records of a phone number associated with Guilfoyle.
    Organizers of rallies and events preceding January 6 attack subpoenaed
    8. Amy Kremer, founder and chair of Women For America First (WFAF)
    9. Kylie Kremer, founder and executive director of Women For America First (WFAF)
    10. Cynthia Chafian, submitted the first permit application on behalf of WFAF for the January 6 rally, and founder of the Eighty Percent Coalition
    11. Caroline Wren, listed on permit paperwork for the January 6 rally as “VIP Advisor”
    12. Maggie Mulvaney, listed on permit paperwork for the January 6 rally as “VIP Lead”
    13. Justin Caporale, of Event Strategies, Inc., listed on permit paperwork for the January 6 rally as “Project Manager.”
    14. Tim Unes, of Event Strategies, Inc., listed on permit paperwork for the January 6 rally as “Stage Manager.”
    15. Megan Powers, of MPowers Consulting LLC, listed on permit paperwork for the January 6 rally as “Operations Manager for Scheduling and Guidance.”
    16. Hannah Salem, of Salem Strategies LLC, listed on permit paperwork for the January 6 rally as “Operations Manager for Logistics and Communications.”
    17. Lyndon Brentnall, of RMS Protective Services, listed on permit paperwork for the January 6 rally as “On-Site Supervisor.”
    18. Katrina Pierson, former Trump campaign official, reportedly involved in the organization of the January 5 and January 6 rallies and was in direct communication with the former President about the rallies.
    19. Ali Alexander, connected to permit applications for the “Stop the Steal” rally
    20. Nathan Martin, connected to permit applications for the “Stop the Steal” rally
    21. Stop the Steal, LLC, organization affiliated with “Stop the Steal” rally
    22. Dustin Stockton, a key player in the “Stop the Steal” movement after the 2020 presidential election who helped organize a series of rallies including the rally held at the Ellipse in Washington, DC, on January 6. Engaged to Jennifer Lawrence, who was also subpoenaed by the committee. According to the committee, Stockton raised concerns that the January 6 rally at the Ellipse could be dangerous and those concerns were escalated to Meadows.
    23. Jennifer Lawrence, engaged to Stockton, also helped a key player in the “Stop the Steal” movement after the 2020 presidential election who helped organize a series of rallies including the rally held at the Ellipse.
    24. Taylor Budowich, according to the committee solicited a 501c(4) organization to conduct a social media and radio advertising campaign encouraging attendance at the Ellipse rally. Budowich is currently the primary political spokesperson for Trump and serves as communications director for the Save America PAC.
    25. Roger Stone, longtime Republican operative and Trump ally who was reportedly in Washington DC on January 5 and 6. Stone spoke at the rally on January 5 and was slated to speak at the rally on January 6 where he previously said he was planning to “lead a march to the Capitol” from the rally.
    26. Alex Jones, a conspiracy theorist who worked with rally organizers to facilitate a donation to provide what he described as “eighty percent” of the funding for the January 6 rally. The Select Committee claims that Jones stated he was told by the White House to lead a march from the January 6 rally at the Ellipse to the Capitol.
    27. Bryan Lewis, who had a rally permit for outside the US Capitol on January 6 and whose purpose was to urge Congress to invalidate electoral votes, the committee says.
    28. Ed Martin, an organizer with the “Stop the Steal” movement, who the panel says was involved in financing the January 6 rally on the Ellipse.
    29. Kimberly Fletcher, who is tied to an organization called Moms for America. Fletcher helped organize the January 5 rally at Freedom Plaza and the January 6 rally at the Ellipse, according to the committee.
    Individuals who advised on election fraud claims and rallies subpoenaed
    30. James P. “Phil” Waldron, a retired Army colonel who spread misinformation about election fraud and circulated a PowerPoint document detailing ways to undermine the 2020 presidential election outcome. Waldron told The Washington Post that he had spoken with Meadows “maybe eight to 10 times” and visited the White House on multiple occasions after the 2020 election.
    31. Andy Surabian, a strategist who served as an adviser to Donald Trump Jr. and was communicating with individuals including Trump Jr. and Kimberly Guilfoyle regarding the January 6 Ellipse rally.
    32. Arthur Schwartz, a strategists who, like Surabian, served as an adviser to Donald Trump Jr. and was communicating with individuals including Trump Jr. and Guilfoyle regarding the January 6 Ellipse rally.
    33. Jenna Ellis, an attorney who pushed various election fraud conspiracies on Trump’s behalf.
    34. Sidney Powell, another attorney who pushed various election fraud conspiracies on Trump’s behalf.
    Department of Justice officials subpoenaed
    35. Jeffrey Clark, former Department of Justice official reportedly involved in efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election
    Continued ….

    #2057922
    jackk
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    … Continued
    Trump campaign officials subpoenaed
    36. William Stepien, Trump 2020 campaign manager
    37. Jason Miller, former senior adviser to Trump 2020 campaign
    38. John Eastman, an attorney who helped craft Trump’s argument that the election was stolen
    39. Michael Flynn, former Trump national security adviser who was involved in meeting about how the Trump campaign wanted to promote the lie that the election was stolen
    40. Angela McCallum, national executive assistant to former Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign
    41. Bernard Kerik, participated in a meeting at the Willard Hotel centered around overturning election results.
    42. Boris Epshteyn, a former Trump campaign adviser who was among those working with Giuliani at the post-election Willard Hotel “command center.”
    Trump White House officials subpoenaed
    43. Nicholas Luna, Trump’s personal assistant
    44. Molly Michael, Trump’s special assistant to the President and Oval Office operations coordinator
    45. Ben Williamson, Trump’s deputy assistant to the President and senior adviser to then-chief of staff Mark Meadows
    46. Christopher Liddell, former Trump White House deputy chief of staff
    47. John McEntee, Trump’s White House personnel director
    48. Keith Kellogg, national security adviser to then-Vice President Mike Pence
    49. Kayleigh McEnany, former White House press secretary under Trump
    50. Stephen Miller, Trump senior adviser
    51. Cassidy Hutchinson, special assistant to the President for legislative affairs
    52. Kenneth Klukowski, former senior counsel to Clark, Assistant Attorney General
    53. Max Miller, former White House senior adviser and current Ohio congressional candidate. The panel says Miller met with Trump in the White House on January 4 to discuss the January 6 rally on the Ellipse and who would be speaking.
    54. Robert “Bobby” Peede Jr., former deputy assistant to the president. The panel says Peede was with Miller when he met with Trump on January 4 to discuss the January 6 rally.
    55. Brian Jack, the former director of political affairs for Trump. The panel says Jack reached out to several members of Congress on behalf of Trump to ask them to speak at the rally on January 6 at the Ellipse.
    56. Ross Worthington, a former White House official who helped draft Trump’s January 6 speech for the rally at the Ellipse.
    57. Marc Short, a former chief of staff to Pence. Short remains one of Pence’s closest advisers and is a firsthand witness to many critical events the committee is examining. Three sources with knowledge of the committee’s activities previously told CNN that Short is cooperating with the panel.
    58. Judd Deere, a former deputy White House press secretary who helped with “formulating White House’s response to the January 6 attack as it occurred,” according to the committee.
    Groups and individuals linked to the Capitol Hill riot on January 6 subpoenaed
    59. Proud Boys International, L.L.C, a right-wing extremist group whose members have called for violence leading up to January 6. At least 34 individuals affiliated with the Proud Boys have been indicted by the Department of Justice in relation to the January 6 attack on the Capitol, according to the committee.
    60. Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, chairman of the Proud Boys organization. The committee says Tarrio was prevented from entering Washington, DC on January 6 but was allegedly involved in the preparation the Proud Boys did leading up to the events at the Capitol.
    61. Oath Keepers, another right-wing extremist group whose members have been found to be participating in the attack. According to the committee, 18 members of the group have been indicted by a federal grand jury for allegedly planning a coordinated attack to storm the Capitol.
    62. Elmer Stewart Rhodes, president of the Oath Keepers who the committee says repeatedly suggested the organization should engage in violence to ensure that Trump remain president. The committee claims that Rhodes was in contact with several of the Oath Keepers who were indicted before, during and after the Capitol attack, even meeting some of them outside the Capitol.
    63. 1st Amendment Praetorian/Robert Patrick Lewis, an organization that the committee says provided security at multiple rallies leading up to January 6 that sought to protest the 2020 presidential election results. Robert Patrick Lewis is the chairman of this group. The committee points to tweets from Lewis on January 6 and 7 that seem to incite violence.
    64. Nicholas J. Fuentes, who is affiliated with the far right groups “America First” and “Groyper.” Fuentes promoted unsupported theories about election fraud and was “present on the Capitol grounds” on January 6, according to the panel.
    65. Patrick Casey, who is also affiliated with “America First” and “Groyper.” Like Fuentes, Casey promoted unsupported theories about election fraud and was on the Capitol grounds on January 6, the panel said.
    Individuals tied to fake electors subpoenaed
    (The select committee subpoenaed individuals listed as chairperson and secretary of each group of alternate electors, across seven states)
    66. Nancy Cottle, chairperson, Arizona. Cottle is listed on the Arizona Federation of Republican Women’s website as being the group’s vice president.
    67. Loraine B. Pellegrino, secretary, Arizona.
    68. David Shafer, chairperson, Georgia. Shafer, the chair of the Georgia GOP, was a plaintiff in some of Trump’s long-shot lawsuits to overturn the election in Georgia.
    69. Shawn Still, secretary, Georgia. Still was the Georgia GOP’s finance chair and is now running for a Georgia Senate seat.
    70. Kathy Berden, chairperson, Michigan. Berden was a national committeewoman at the Republican National Committee and served as a Trump delegate at the 2016 GOP convention.
    71. Mayra Rodriguez, secretary, Michigan. Rodriguez unsuccessfully ran for a Michigan House seat in 2020.
    72. Jewll Powdrell, chairperson, New Mexico. Powdrell recently told the Albuquerque Journal that he had signed the fake certificate at the behest of former Rep. Steve Pearce, the head of the New Mexico GOP.
    73. Deborah W. Maestas, secretary, New Mexico. Maestas previously served as the chairperson of the state GOP.
    74. Michael J. McDonald, chairperson, Nevada. McDonald serves as the Nevada GOP chairman and reportedly promoted false voter-fraud claims in 2020.
    75. James DeGraffenreid, secretary, Nevada. DeGraffenreid’s Facebook page says he is a national committeeman from Nevada for the RNC.
    76. Bill Bachenberg, chairperson, Pennsylvania. Bachenberg is a board member of the National Rifle Association and spoke at a pro-Trump fundraiser in 2020.
    77. Lisa Patton, secretary, Pennsylvania.
    78. Andrew Hitt, chairperson, Wisconsin. Hitt is a former chairman of the Wisconsin GOP and a staffer for former Gov. Scott Walker.
    79. Kelly Ruh, secretary, Wisconsin. Ruh is an alderperson from the city of De Pere.

    #2057971
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>What else do you call someone who lost and after unsuccessfully trying to prove that he won, continues to claim that he won the election and it was stolen from him ?

    The great hero of the Democrats in Georgia , Stacy Adams did the same things and continues to make the same claims. Unlike Trump she has the brains to realize not to endlessly fight a battle she won’t win. But she has acted exactly like him when she still thought it would benefit her

    >>>Here is a list of the people subpoenaed. Cross off the one who was not involved in Jan 6th.

    None of those people were personally involved in the Capital riots, the ostensible excuse for the January 6th. If you are going to prosecute people for peddling false information and try to get rid of a legally elected president through peddling lies then you can investigate almost Democratic member of congress. They all tried to get rid of Trump through an impeachment trial based on baseless accusation and then tried to do so peddling the Steele Dossier , now universally acknowledged to be a pack of lies. And that was just the start of the Democrats trying to get rid of Trump through false accusation and lies

    When the Democrats will investigate how there was an impeachment trial based on so little evidence and start worrying about the precedent of trying to get rid of political opponents through false trials and false accusations then I’ll believe the January 6th commission is even remotely about truth, democracy and integrity in government .

    As above let me stress and stress again. I am NOT a Trump supporter. But other than having better temperaments I just don’t see his opponents as being morally better than him or being the good guys and doing the right thing in all the conflicts they have with him

    #2057975
    Reb Eliezer
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    #2057943
    bored_teen 💕
    Participant

    The DNC censured Kristyn Cinema for stepping out of party lines.

    #2057999
    Participant
    Participant

    The Republicans should devote the energies to blasting Dems and let the primaries choose the candidate.

    #2058002
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    I beg to differ. It was not the DNC but the Democratic Party of Arizona.

    #2058038
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Reb eliezer,

    Either way bored teen has a point in regards to your “There is a Hungarian saying, tell the truth and your head will be smashed in.”

    Cinema’s head is being “smashed in” because she’s telling the truth

    #2058041

    REbE > Trump is against democracy

    Unfortunately, any reasonable critique of Trump will not be heard. After 7 years already of mostly baseless attacks on him, those who believed those stories of Trump tower server beeping directly to Putin’s bankers already believed them, and the rest of us are just numb to the additional stories, especially as it is now seems to be shown that many of them were started by Hillary’s associates and laundered thru several government organizations.

    A big picture of accusations of Trump that you would probably agree with: there are no more discussions about Trump’s crime before he was President’ no more about his crimes while he was President; now the only topic is how he handled last 2 weeks before transition. My prediction – soon, this will pass and he will be attacked for channeling Russian donations into his 2024 campaign and that he is planning for 3rd term in 2028.

    #2058049
    mdd1
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    TS Baum and Smerel, El. Cheney’s views are solidly Republican in the traditional sense. Trump’s are lav davka. Cheney is not a Trump boot-licker, though. That is the whole story

    #2058051
    mdd1
    Participant

    Smerel, one does not need articles or investigators to know what Trump is. He said enough in front of numerous cameras and tweeted enough and did enough things which are officially known from which it is clear what he is.

    #2058085
    Pekak
    Participant

    @Jackk

    As Hitlery said during the Benghazi hearings “What difference does it make now?”

    #2058095
    moishekapoieh
    Participant

    The GOP will disappear with Trump in power. I suggest we form a new party called GOP+ which will be minus that demagogue, con-artist, liar, lecher and sore loser.

    #2058145
    akuperma
    Participant

    Circular firing squad. Trump lost (or won, whichever is irrelevant) by a minuscule margin. To win in 2024 he needs more votes, not fewer. The Republicans should be working on fence building and reconciliation, rather than passing a resolution designed to encourage people who would otherwise vote Republican to instead support Joe Biden (or worse) in 2024.

    #2058163
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>The Republicans should be working on fence building and reconciliation, rather than passing a resolution designed to encourage people who would otherwise vote Republican

    There is no way you can reach out to someone who isn’t interested in reaching out to you and the only thing she says to or about you is “I hate you” like Liz Cheney. If she had the exact same viewpoints but also used her media limelight to advance ideas that Republicans care about and speak against Democrats ideas that they oppose she would be in a very different situation.

    Unlike the censure of Sinema or the fact that Manchin now needs private security wherever he goes
    Cheney wasn’t censured for her political views. She was censured because there is a limit to how much of a fight you can pick with people and expect them to continue to consider you you as one of their own .

    #2058161
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>Smerel, one does not need articles or investigators to know what Trump is.

    No idea what you are trying to say with this. As I said I’m no Trump supporter, but I also recognize that a lot of what his opponents say and do is very wrong as well. And as above if you have a specific question on what I said I will respond

    #2058211
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    RNC calls Jan 6 a ‘legitimate political discourse’ as admitted by Trump to overturn the election, according to the former governor of New Jersey.

    #2058271
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Bashing a capital policeman with a fire extinguisher followed by a shpritz of bear spray is an explicitly recognized form of political discourse. The fact that some mindless political hacks masquerading as adults voted for this resolution is perhaps even scarier.

    #2058273
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    “Bashing a capital policeman with a fire extinguisher”

    you are welcome to make your own opinions and speculations and conclusions no matter how absurd, bizarre or wrong they feel to me. But this point was proven to be pure trash a LONG time ago and for you to bring it up as if it was real is really beneath you.

    #2058279
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>Bashing a capital policeman with a fire extinguisher followed by a shpritz of bear spray is an explicitly recognized form of political discourse

    Are you trying to remind us about how the Democrats and media lied to us for WEEKS claiming capital policeman Brian Sicknick was killed by being beaten with fire extinguishers and when that was demonstrated to be a lie they went ahead and lied to us for another few WEEKS claiming he was killed by bear spray until the family and medical examiner report forced them to admit it was all made up?

    But those are the truth seekers and truth purveyors who we are supposed to follow about everything else with regard to the capital riots .

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