May 28, 2010 12:38 am at 12:38 am #591705
Why is it that everywhere I ever davened, when saying ???, after “…??? ????”, people speed through “…???? ???” and especially by ??????.
Why is this? Is it some Halacha? Segula?
Its not like thats the end of davening. There is still leining and Mussaf afterwards.
And then they finish their speedy ??? and the ??? starts ???? and I’m still in middle of ??? and can’t answer ???.
The one time a year they don’t speed is on Sukkos, when the Rebbe spends half an hour shaking the Lulav and Esrog by ???? ?????, then I have plenty of time to finish ??? with Kavanah! (But then, of course, after shaking, everyone starts speeding to the end! But by that time, I’m already done for 15 minutes!)
It seems like a race. Who can finish first!May 28, 2010 1:13 am at 1:13 am #689541May 28, 2010 1:21 am at 1:21 am #689542
42, is it really? The rest of ??? they say at normal pace. Kriyas HaTorah, everyone is looking in their Chumashim. And they daven a normal Musaf.
Just the end of ??? do I see this mad rush.
(By the way, am I the only one who sees this rush?)May 28, 2010 1:32 am at 1:32 am #689543YW Moderator-42Moderator
They are restless by the time they get to the end so go back to their normal way of being in a rush. You can ask this question about many random things that people do that don’t make sense. People will do this toward the end of Shmona Esrei as well, people just can’t concentrate for that long in today’s society.May 28, 2010 1:48 am at 1:48 am #689544
But after ??? they daven regularly. It has something to do with those last few lines. I hear what you are saying about Instant Times, but I don’t think that is what’s going on.May 28, 2010 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #689545bptParticipant
I thought it was just my shul.
You are right; the ammount it takes to say from after Onoh Hashem, is less than 30 seconds. Forget about omain after the bracha.. I sometime miss yehei shmei from kaddish as well!
And its not like the Baal Tefila has a dislike for shlepping. Go figureMay 28, 2010 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #689546I can only tryMember
9) Boruch H-shem le’oilam amen v’amen (maariv) – doable with difficulty.
11) V’hi no’am (motzei Shabbos) – doable with difficulty.
12 Sfiras ha’omer – doable with difficulty.May 28, 2010 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #689547chesednameParticipant
I think the baal tefillah is embarrassed that ppl will say he’s slow, and can’t read hebrew properly, so he skips a small or large part of daveing.
i hear them say shmonei esrai, and know there is no way they said the rest so fast.June 3, 2010 7:23 am at 7:23 am #689548One of the chevraParticipant
similar point with “ending off syndrome”: did you ever notice that when people use a bentcher for bentching, the will most ofte close the bentcher before the end, like when the get up to “yiru”.
is the end of bentching a “second class citizen” that it doesn’t deserve the kavanah of saying it from a bentcher.
Same idea: oleinu (or whatever is the end of davening for you) while walking toward the door of the shul, or finishing up the folding of you tallis or putting away your tefillin.
It’s not fair that these parts of davening/bentching should’nt get the same attention as the rest just because they are at the end.June 3, 2010 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #689549insuranceguyMember
perhaps its time to find a better minyanJune 4, 2010 1:18 am at 1:18 am #689550
As I said above:
But after ??? they daven regularly. It has something to do with those last few lines. I hear what you are saying about Instant Times, but I don’t think that is what’s going on.
Its not like bentching and Oleinu. There is more to “reaching the end” (I think!)
perhaps its time to find a better minyan
Maybe, but as I said above:
everywhere I ever davened
In Litveshe Shuls. Chassidishe Shteblach. Makes no difference. They all speed through the very end of ???…July 14, 2010 10:09 am at 10:09 am #689551yosrMember
I have also seen this in just about every Dati minyan I have ever been in. I do this speeding at the end of Hallel because my father does it and this is what I saw all the old men at shul when I was young do. I figured if they were all doing it, it was like some old Minhag or something.
I asked my father why he does it and he more or less gave me the same reason.July 14, 2010 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #689552says whoMember
I find it hard to keep up Shabbos by day from after Haftora until the begining of Shmona Esra. Every week I wonder how everyone is ready to satrt together with the Chazan and I am the only one not ready.July 14, 2010 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #689553WolfishMusingsParticipant
For a long time I had difficulty with this as well.
In the end, I decided to just start when the tzibbur did and stop (wherever I was in the tefillah) when the chazzan went on. I eventually found myself being able to go further and further in until I was able to able to finish without difficulty.
The WolfJuly 14, 2010 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #689554emoticon613Member
i always thought i was having trouble keeping up in all those parts (those that apply to me) mentioned by ICOT because i’m a woman. go figure.July 14, 2010 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #689557WIYMember
One should never rush through any Tefillah. Da lifnei Mi Atah Omed.
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