Salary Expectations in Chinuch

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  • #591700

    fabie
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    I am researching some job offers in the US in Chinuch. Can someone give me some pointers concerning salary expectations.

    #910657

    Feif Un
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    Don’t expect a lot of money.

    #910659

    bpt
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    I was told rebbeim can earn around $50,000 after 10 years experience, at the better yeshivas in NYC. And lots of moey can be made tutoring, if you don’t mind working 15-18 hour days

    No idea what teachers get in girls schools.

    #910660

    arc
    Participant

    Many yeshivos have decent starting salaries ($40K plus). Tutoring can get you good money but you dont see too many legitamate Rebbeim doing it.

    #910661

    tomim tihye
    Member

    Wise to find out whether the Yeshiva is up-to-date with paychecks. A great many are not, and it may take many months until you see $$.

    For a woman to teach in a girls’ school, she has to be VERY idealistic (and not worry how to pay the babysitter while she’s waiting for her overdue pennies).

    #910662

    speaktruth
    Member

    I taught for 2 years. Woman are paid much less than men (unfortunately) in most schools.

    Salary depends on experience, degree, certification, etc… Also it depends on the city (NYC pays more than Lakewood , out of town schools will pay more for degree’s, etc..)

    I taught in a school where at times we were 3 months behind in pay checks, so even though they offered a very good salary, it was very difficult to make ends meet while working there.

    #910663

    hello99
    Member

    The # of $ in the salary is almost irrelevant. You must compare it to the cost of living in the city. $50000 in NYC won’t get you nearly as far as $30000 in say Milwaukee.

    #910664

    Poster
    Member

    While I was single I worked as a teacher in a girls school. The salary is humiliating, but I loved the environment and needed the social part of it as well. Teaching in an average school, with no degree and no major experience can pay you anywhere btwn 8k-15k a yr. . The better schools up to 20k. If you are in a top school and have experience maybe up to 30k. Teaching is not something I even considered once I got married.

    #910665

    artchill
    Participant

    “I am researching some job offers in the US in Chinuch”.

    Job offers OR pipe dreams??

    Until now, many schools simply defaulted on paychecks by first having staff wait 5 months or longer to be paid, and even then it was,”He who made it to the bank first wins” and everyone else’s check bounced. The American economy is very bad, donors are not giving as much as before, pledges are ‘words’ until paid, more children are on scholarships.

    Get the point? Don’t expect much.

    #910666

    arc
    Participant

    Hello, good point but you have to be willing to live out of town.

    #910667

    squeak
    Participant

    Are we kidding here? An average Rebbi in grades 1-12 is getting $50K or less???

    #910668

    qa
    Member

    squeak, over HERE you seemed to be against giving much more to Rebbeim…

    #910669

    squeak
    Participant

    qa,

    Yes, if paying high salaries causes a tuition crisis then something has to give. But if I am to understand that the average Rebbi salary is 50K or less (and that a Rebbi is higher paid than the secular educators) and there is still a cash crunch, how is that possible? If there are 30 kids per class, $1700 each pays the Rebbi.

    I am also a bit skeptical because as others pointed out, there seems to be no incentive for people with families to give up government benefits for a salary that is less than at least 60K. So why would anyone take a job as a Rebbi?

    #910670

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    It depends where you work. There is a reason why Lakewood Rabbaim commute to the City (or spend their weeknights there and only go home on weekends or once during the week, I know of an example). Lakewood doesn’t pay much (if anything. I have heard some schools only give something you can place on your resume, but no money).

    If you work in RAMAZ, expect a lot (but good luck getting a job!).

    Economicly (and I will get yelled at), make sure that the salary you earn is worth the time spent and the (Gov) benefits lost due to working (instead of Kollel?). You may “earn” more taking care of your children (which is not a bad thing to do, either).

    Good luck

    #910671

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Squeak, the salary may be $50,000 but if you have 4 kids in school for free that’s AT LEAST another $20,000 non-taxable money.

    #910672

    fabie
    Member

    Well thanks for all the input. Let me add a few details:

    1. I am a male,

    2. The main position I’m considering is out of town,

    3. I have both Limudei Kodesh qualifications, and professional qualifications as well – i.e., BA, MED, with lots of experience. This specific position demands both.

    4. In no way shape or form will I take any position who pays any more then a week or two late. I’ve been through that before. I’m not working for Chesed. Numerous positions, I ask bluntly, do you pay on time? This one specifically, I’m a little concerned about being so bold. If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate it.

    5. I have no problem tutoring to supplement my income, but I do need to sleep at nights as well.

    6. Gavra, thanks for mentioning Ramaz, I’ve seen some openings with them, but nothing plausible yet.

    7. BPTotty – With the cost of living so high in NYC, how do Rabbeim survive, or are they supposed to be shonerers.

    I was honestly expecting 60K+, but my brother mentioned to me at the Yeshiva he works in, the secular staff makes less then the limudei kodesh.

    #910673

    arc
    Participant

    Most secular teachers get less thann rebeim.

    squeak most classes arent 30 kids and most kids have siblings in the school. Even using your numbers and Sjs’ 4 kids that’s $6800 in tuition money without taking into account any other expenses.

    #910674

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    fabie: Speak to employees, don’t take their word for it.

    I hear you can do well in Detroit.

    #910675

    bpt
    Participant

    How to survive in the NYC metro area on $50K ?

    Welcome to America!

    #1 – the expectation is that your spouse will work too

    #2 – parents help till they are in thier 80’s (no, Im not kidding)

    #3 – its called living day-to-day, and when the big ticket expenses (weddings, ect) come up, you borrow.

    But this should come as no surprise to you, if you have any intention of being in chinuch. Listen to the rebbeim / teachers in your circle and you’ll a common theme; They are not in it for the $… because there is none.

    Your case might be different, as you have a degree and experience. But my guess is, you’ll still need to go way out of the metro area to find a school that values (and is willing to pay for) your true worth. As for getting paid on time? I only know the BP market, and its slow as molasses.

    #910676

    student
    Participant

    More modern day schools pay better, especially if you have a license. TRy Flatbush, HALB, HAFTR etc. Both Rebbeim and teachers deserve top salaries, they are often well-educated dedicated professionals who work very hard. To say that their salaries are causing the tuiition crisis is insulting.

    #910677

    asher1
    Participant

    is everyone giving figures for a full day or half?

    #910678

    fabie
    Member

    Asher1: I’m sure everyone here is discussing full time, otherwise I really can’t see any reason to complain. When I went to day school the Rabeim taught Limudei Kodesh in the morning to the older grades, and in the afternoon, taught the younger grades.

    #910679

    Rebbele5
    Member

    Working rebbe here.

    First, In Yeshivas that are financially stable and paying on time in the NY area, expect starting at 28k for a half a day, after five years a good Rebbe can expect in the 40s, and if your not good…

    Second, when people speak of modern schools like Ramaz or HAFTR that start at 40k, you must realize that it is a full day job, 8:30-4:30, so the pay isn’t considerably good…

    Third, I have spoken to a number of Rebbeim in Brooklyn at different gatherings and when discussing salaries they mentioned how their starting salaries were in the 40s (bit showing off, but whatever), I asked “so when is the last time you were paid?” All answered that pay was late and some checks never came through. Be cautious when a Yeshiva makes a high offer to lure you in…

    There is good reason why many rebbeim try to get jobs out of Lakewood and the Brooklyn Rebbeim try to get jobs out of Brooklyn…

    If you are certified and can handle teaching a whole day in a yeshiva, and they are willing to allow you to teach both, expect to start at around 50k and move up from there.

    #910680

    fabie
    Member

    I spoke to my brother who is a financial director in a Yeshiva in the West Coast, where I went to school. Apparently salaries there are higher then mentioned here, and tuition is way higher. He said that Yeshivas (High Schools) charge between 14-18K/year, and day schools-cheiders charge between 8-14K/year.

    The rabbeim there have been there for quite a while, but their salaries are definitely reasonable.

    #910681

    fabie-where the salaries are higher, many times the cost of living is higher so it doesn’t mean that it’s better there.

    #910682

    fabie
    Member

    MischiefMaker: I realize this, but you know the cost of living is very high in NYC as well.

    #910683

    fabie
    Member

    I would like to supplement my income with tutoring. What are the going rates. My brother told me in LA they are between $50-$70, which seems alot. Any feedback would be appreciated.

    #910684

    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    There are many parameters to take into account- your knowledge in the field, the need of the person being tutored, the amount of readily available tutors and the going rate.

    I normally do not charge for tutoring but the last time I charged it was for $65 per hour. The parents were willing to pay any price for their son to pass his math regents so he wouldn’t have to take summer school.

    #910685

    MICHEL72
    Member

    i have a question WHAT I WILL DO IF YOU WORK FOR 1 YEAR AS A TEACHER AND YOUR YESHIVA refuse to pay you because, AND ALL RABBIS IN THE COMMUNITY REFUSE TO HELP BECAUSE ITS A BIG YESHIVA DO I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTACT THE NEW YORK TIMES, DO I HAVE TTHE RIGHT TO CALL NYS HOT LINE TO SUE THEM

    #910686

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Michel:

    I don’t think the NY times will care.

    You have a right to sue them, but you need to do it in a Beis Din.

    #910687

    rebdoniel
    Member

    I’d suggest getting a job in the public schools, but there is a hiring freeze.

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