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  • #599053

    Hummingbird
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    Can anyone please tell me when you say Tehillim on Shabbos whether it’s a few perakim, the Tehillim for the day of the week, the Tehillim for the day of the month, the entire Tehillim, are you allowed to say names for Tehillim (Refuah Shlaima, Hatzlacha/Yeshuah for whatever the situation is etc….)? I was just recently told by one of my family members that you’re not allowed to. But, I’m just wondering if it’s true since I never heard anything of the like beforehand.

    If you know, can you please explain to me as to why yes/no?

    #805444

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    In general we do not say names for refua on Shabbos.

    But saying tehillim on Shabbos? Sure! One can say as much as one wants. I know people who davka say the entire tehillim on Shabbos.

    #805445

    Hummingbird
    Participant

    Am Yisrael Chai, I also say the entire Tehillim on shabbos. I’ve been doing this now for over 7 yrs. & all along I’ve been saying names for Tehillim. However, just recently, I was told that I can’t say the names-so I just wanted to know if it’s actually true & what the mekor for that is as to why not?

    #805446

    kol daveed
    Member

    Hummingbird –

    From what I’ve read (I’m sorry I don’t remember the source) litvak Ashkenazim do not say tehillim on Shabbos for two reasons:

    1. In general we do not make personal requests on Shabbos (as evidenced by changes in the shemoneh esrei – the gemara in brachos says it’s a burder on the tzibur)

    2. Depending who you’re saying tehillim for, it could bring a person to tears and we do not cry or mourn on Shabbos as it is a day of simcha.

    That being said, Sefardim (certainly Persian) and Chabad Chassidim (potentially others as well but I don’t know) say tehillim on Shabbos for cholim.

    #805447

    chanie
    Member

    I know some very choshova people who are very makpid to say Tehillim within an hour of ??? ??? as it is a very special ?? ????. As an aside, ?? ?? ????? the word Tehillim is incorrect. The word should be Tehillos, ???? ????. The Malbim wished to have it changed, but being the ???? in ??? ???? uses the word in ???? ???, the gedolim of his era refused to have it altered.

    #805448

    Hummingbird
    Participant

    Thank you Kol Daveed & Chanie T. for helping me out w/ your insights re. my question I really do appreciate it.

    #805449

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    Kol hakavod, Hummingbird, for saying the entire Tehillim on Shabbos for so many years!

    I’m not clear myself why we mention cholim on Shabbos by Mi Shebayrach but not by Tehillim (I understand the Torah is present, but still). I hope someone here may know.

    Some rabbanim say it’s ok to say names L’iluy nishmas (not cholim) while others say one may just THINK the names.

    At the end of Tehillim, there’s a special Yehi Ratzon to say after completing any or all sfarim of Tehillim ON SHABBOS which I’m sure you’ve said many times considering your dedication.

    So I think the statement “litvak Ashkenazim do not say tehillim on Shabbos for two reasons” would refer to saying Tehillim prefaced by cholim’s names. Certainly it’s admirable and desirable to say Tehillim on Shabbos. In fact, there are quite a number of Tehillim groups meeting regularly on Shabbos to complete all 5 sfarim.

    #805450

    a mamin
    Participant

    I have a Tehilim group and when we finish we make a mishabarach for many cholim, on Shabbos. Not everyone feels you can not do this.

    #805451

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    Is this with the consent of a rav or was the question just not asked?

    #805452

    musser zoger
    Participant

    If one says “Shabbos hee m’lizok ur’fuah krovah lavo” as is said in a mishberach why not?

    #805453

    Yoin from BP
    Member

    The Tchernobler minhag (al-pi Eliyahu Hanovi) is to complete the entire Sefer T’hillim, ‘bli-hefsek’ and before davening on Shabbos morning. This is 1 of the 3 most important minhagim of Skver and Rachmistrifka Chassidus.

    I have done so more than a thousand times (every Shabbos for more than 20 years). With proper concentration, one can get quite proficient and complete it in less than 1 1/2 hours (I usually do it in 70-80 minutes – every word).

    I look forward to Shabbos morning probably more than anything else.

    #805454

    amichai
    Participant

    I am in a weekly tehillim group. the names are given before shabbos. we say them before shabbos as some pple hold we should not ask for certain things on shabbos.

    #805455

    MHY
    Participant

    Yoin posted “This is 1 of the 3 most important minhagim of Skver and Rachmistrifka Chassidus.”

    Can you tell us what the other two are?

    Thanks.

    #805456

    kapusta
    Participant

    Anything else aside from names of cholim that shouldn’t be mentioned on Shabbos? Is it different to think the bakasha?

    completing any or all sfarim of Tehillim ON SHABBOS

    Any Tehillim or only for a complete Sefer?

    TIA

    *kapusta*

    #805457

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    “Any Tehillim or only for a complete Sefer?

    It’s when completing at least one of the five sforim in Tehillim ???? the five Chumshei Torah. It’s a beautiful, shortened Yehi Ratzon found at the end of most sifrei Tehillim.

    #805458

    I don’t know about you, but when i daven of Shabbos morning, there are many perakim of Tehillim in davening. Does this answer your question?

    #805459

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    “Does this answer your question?”

    No.

    The OP was not suggesting that there was an issue with saying Tehillim, but rather if one may say it ?????? ????? with ?????’s names.

    The other question was regarding when one says the Yehi Ratzon following Tehillim.

    #805460

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    “Any Tehillim or only for a complete Sefer?”

    The beautiful, shortened Yehi Ratzon for Shabbos and YO”T is found at the end of most sifrei Tehillim and is said after completing the corresponding sefer/sfarim.

    The 150 kapitlach are divided into 5 sfarim:

    Sefer Rishon- 1-41 kineged Braishis

    Sefer Shaynee- 42-72 kineged Shmos

    Sefer Shlishi- 73-89 (a short one!) kineged Vayikra

    Sefer Revii- 90-106 (also short!) kineged Bamidbar

    Sefer Chamishi-107-150 kineged Dvarim

    #805461

    Hummingbird
    Participant

    Thank you everyone for your posts. So now I’m just wondering, what about when you tzind Shabbos Lecht? Can you say the names for Tehillim for both Refuah Shlaima & other situations as well along w/ a few perakim of Tehillim? Y/N? Does that have the same halacha of Shabbos too?

    #805462

    kapusta
    Participant

    Thanks, AYC.

    Anything else aside from names of cholim that shouldn’t be mentioned on Shabbos? Is it different to think the bakasha?

    *kapusta*

    #1329036

    ArielFriedenberg
    Participant

    I have always known that it is not permissible to read Tehilim at night or in Shabbat. Yet, recently, I have encountered many people who do. I have not found any Halachot or Rabbinical Rulings that allows for the reading of Tehilim.

    “The Be’er Heteb commentary to the Shulhan Aruch (Orah Haim 238:2) cites the ruling of the Arizal (Rabbi Yishak Luria of Safed, 1534-1572), in Sha’ar Ha’misvot (Parashat Vaethanan), that it is proper to read Tanach only during the day, and not in the nighttime hours. This ruling, which is based upon concepts of Kabbalah, is also cited and accepted by other authorities, including the Hid”a (Rav Haim Yosef David Azulai, 1724-1806) and the Ben Ish Hai (Rav Yosef Haim of Baghdad, 1833-1909). Accordingly, the Ben Ish Hai writes (as does the Kaf Ha’haim), one should not recite Tehillim during the night.
    Hacham Ovadia Yosef addresses this topic in his work Yabia Omer, and rules that it is indeed proper to follow the Arizal’s practice and refrain from reading verses of Tanach during the night. He adds, on the basis of the Hid”a’s ruling, that this applies throughout the entire night, until morning.
    However, Hacham Ovadia makes an exception in this regard for cases of a seriously ill patient, Heaven forbid, when friends and relatives wish to recite Tehillim to pray for his or her recovery. In such a case, Hacham Ovadia rules, it is permissible to recite Tehillim on the patient’s behalf after Hasot (midnight as defined by Halacha, which occurs, depending on the season, anywhere from 11:30pm-1am). Tehillim should not be recited before Hasot, even in situations of an ill patient, Heaven forbid. Instead, people should study material such as Mishnayot, Halacha or Gemara in the patient’s merit until Hasot, and then recite Tehillim after Hasot.
    There are several other exceptions to this Halacha, as well. It does not apply on Thursday night, Friday night, or the night of Yom Tob. The Ben Ish Hai writes that the night of Rosh Hodesh is considered an ordinary weeknight with respect to this Halacha, and hence one should not read Tanach on the night of Rosh Hodesh.
    Furthermore, this Halacha applies only to reading. It is permissible to study Tanach at night, meaning, learning the text with at least the commentary of Rashi. The prohibition applies only to simply reading the words; studying the material with commentaries is allowed at nighttime.
    Additionally, this Halacha applies only to those who are able to study other material, such as Talmud and Halacha. If somebody does not have a background in other subjects, and the alternative to reading Tanach is engaging in unproductive activities, then it is certainly preferable for him to read Tanach at night rather than waste his time. In such a case, the Ben Ish Hai advises the individual to study parts of the Oral Law that he knows from the prayer service, such as Patah Eliyahu and Ezeheu Mekoman. But if his only alternative to reading Tanach is wasting time, then he should certainly read Tanach.
    Summary: It is proper not to read Tehillim or other parts of Tanach during the nighttime hours, except on Thursday night, Friday night, and the night of Yom Tob. This applies only to reading; one may study Tanach with commentaries at night. If a person is incapable of studying other material, and the alternative to reading Tanach is wasting time, then he should read Tanach at night rather than be unproductive. In cases of an ill patient in need of Tehillim, Heaven forbid, people may recite Tehillim on his behalf after Hasot (midnight as defined by Halacha).”
    http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=2539

    Can anybody provide a Halachic or Rabbinical ruling that allows for the reading of Tehilim in Shabbat?

    Thanks

    #1329040

    mik5
    Participant

    The Tchernobler minhag (al-pi Eliyahu Hanovi) is to complete the entire Sefer T’hillim, ‘bli-hefsek’ and before davening on Shabbos morning. This is 1 of the 3 most important minhagim of Skver and Rachmistrifka Chassidus.

    Does this come at the expense of zman tefilla?
    Does it result in being too tired to recite the morning prayers like a mentch? (To say 150 psalms bli hefsek can be tiring, especially if one says them in a meaningful way, as opposed to flying through it.)
    Does it involve flying through Tehillim as opposed to saying it slowly and with concentration?
    Are you aware that a little with kavana is more important than a lot without kavana?

    #1329041

    mik5
    Participant

    To think the request is muttar, since one is even allowed to think about melacha on Shabbos (though one is not allowed to talk about melacha, like saying “I will buy something after Shabbos”).

    If it’s a spiritual request (like shidduchim, which is a mitzvah since getting married and raising a family of ovdei Hashem is a mitzvah), there are opinions that you can pray for that on Shabbos. Other opinions forbid even this. The minhag is to be meikel, and so ruled Rav Belsky.

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