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you know, how people say those few words out loud to remind others in case they forgot.
do you think it should be done?
im kind of torn
i basically feel its not proper as it can momentarily disturb others concentration.
on the other hand it has saved me more than once from forgetting to say it.
do you mean like in shul or something just to call out yaaleh veyavo?
I actually hate it because if you’re not up to there it shters your davening, yet if you passed it and forgot like I have had it does save you
so I term it A necessary evil”
Oops I just said what you said
sometimes they are so helpful yet sometimes they jsut make you nervous.
hey don’t pick on adorable, just because she’s a girl and doesn’t know about these things 🙂
you think i dont daven? I am thinking about when I was in sem and girls would do it or when I was in camp and everyone is davening tog
it also gets said aloud by some during bentching. disturbing.
you think i dont daven?
don’t put words in my mouth, if you read my reply to R. Moderator I said you don’t daven B’tzibur (in public)
I am thinking about when I was in sem and girls would do it or when I was in camp and everyone is davening tog
do girls do that too (say yaaleh v’yavo out loud?)
yes of course and sometimes Its so annoying but when you are up to that part its helpful.
Mod 80 – I think it is a very good idea to say it out loud, it has numerous of times helped me from forgetting it. Although I don’t know if it is halachicly correct.
I think its a very thoughtful thing to do! As long as it said once and not very loud just as a low reminder I don’t see anything wrong. And as for concentration- rather let someone “disturb” you then finishing your tefilla and having to say it over again.
…weeks after Pesach someone near my shver’s table has to say “Morid Hatal” (Succos — “Morid Hageshem”). I say, depending on the situation, why don’t you randomly say out loud the words you are up to? Perhaps then the message will be received.
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If your talking about right before shemona esreh, it doesn’t have to be screamed out– 2 loud bangs are sufficient. However during shemona esreh, one guy saying it loud (not too loud!) is enough. We don’t need every guy in the shul to remind us, and sometimes it could get annoying when 20 people do it.
I find it very annoying. As it is you have the gabbai giving a klop, then you have the kids who like to klop (and the adults who act like kids too) before you get started with shemone esrei you already had 3-4 reminders.
I always ask people to yell out yaaleh viyavo when I am davening. I HATE forgetting it, then having to repeat it.
I’ve been the beneficiary of having it said out loud several times. Since it’s toward the end of davening, it’s easy to forget. Someone reminding you in the middle of davening is not necessarily a bad thing (although I would never do so myself).
My beef is when one person says it out loud and then another person says it less than two seconds later. Does he think that we’re *that* stupid (well, yes, I know that I am — but most people in the shul aren’t) to have forgotten less than two seconds later? Or is he just trying to “prove” that he said it (why? Is someone going to confront him about it later on?)?
The Wolf
It says in Vi’ishai Yisrael (a halacha limaisah tefillah sefer)that one should not say the words yaale viyavo out loud during their silent shmone esrai. The reason he give is because it disrupts other people’s tefillah.
I think its a very thoughtful thing to do! As long as it said once and not very loud just as a low reminder I don’t see anything wrong. And as for concentration- rather let someone “disturb” you then finishing your tefilla and having to say it over again.
unless you have a good memory and you need a lot of concentration then that totally shters you (I’m not saying i have either of those qualities)
It irks me tremendously. The mishna berurah says that if one hears someone saying a bracha in shemoneh esrei he should not answer amen because it’s supposed to be a quiet tefillah. The same logic should apply here. I once saw that Rav Shlomo Zalman zt’l held not to say it out loud for the same reason, but i dont remember where, probably somewhere in halichos shlomoh. This would obviously not apply to bentching which is not a silent teffilah.
i just remembered! usually someone always does it, and noone said it out loud today and i forgot! 🙁 so i think we should do it because it’s helpful
Not only does it not shter me, it usually brings me out of my reverie out in some far away place, back to the bais medrash, back to my siddur and my davening, and of course it reminds me about ya’aleh viyavo.
Personally, I find it annoying.
last time someone mentioned that they forgot and had to repeat. i immediately folded the entire page up in my siddur, very hard to forget whenyou cant turn thepage
newhere wrote I once saw that Rav Shlomo Zalman zt’l held not to say it out loud for the same reason, but i dont remember where, probably somewhere in halichos shlomoh. This would obviously not apply to bentching which is not a silent teffilah. See ?????? ????? ???? ?”? ?????? ???? note #20
from notes of talmidim. Reason cited ??? ????? applies to Bentching as well.
But Debreciner Rav ZT”L in Shut Beer Moshe Vol 4 siman 10 is matir for one only, after that it is Assur
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